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Poettering: systemd for Administrators, Part XVIII (controllers)

Poettering: systemd for Administrators, Part XVIII (controllers)

Posted Oct 27, 2012 12:17 UTC (Sat) by akeane (guest, #85436)
In reply to: Poettering: systemd for Administrators, Part XVIII (controllers) by JEFFREY
Parent article: Poettering: systemd for Administrators, Part XVIII (controllers)

>The twenty-second installment of Lennart Poettering's "systemd for Administrators" series covers an interesting newish feature: integrated support for automobile climate controllers. "When thinking about the morning commute, we quickly realized that climate management must be core functionality of systemd.

Sir, my apologies, but it is imperative that I correct you in your above assertion:

It should be: The XXII installment of Lennart Poettering's "How to dismiss UNIX's core values and philosophy, and ruin it for everyone"

Other than that, I believe a "HIGH FIVE" is in order!



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Poettering: systemd for Administrators, Part XVIII (controllers)

Posted Oct 27, 2012 15:44 UTC (Sat) by raven667 (subscriber, #5198) [Link]

Haha that's funny.

To be serious for a second though, UNIX is a computer operating system, not philosophy. If you let your preconceived ideas prevent you from making practical, rational decisions then you are going to be less successful at your goals, running software, than someone who is self critical and isn't locked in a culture of dogma. Making the system work technically better, IMHO, isn't "ruining" it just because it's a little different.

Poettering: systemd for Administrators, Part XVIII (controllers)

Posted Oct 29, 2012 16:28 UTC (Mon) by akeane (guest, #85436) [Link]

>To be serious for a second though, UNIX is a computer operating system, not philosophy.

Let's be serious, and, hence quite, quite boring for III+ seconds...

UNIX is an implementation of a philosophy; that rascal ESR even wrote a book a bit about it, and he's got guns!

>If you let your preconceived ideas prevent you from making practical, rational decisions

Well, they are "preconceived" (google translation:(well thought out)), because a lot of very clever people, thought about them way before you and I, and you know what?

I respect that, do you really want to discard that knowledge and learning for something else just cause it's new?

There's like, OMG! a billion Android devices out there right now, not including all the other embedded linux devices out there, just ticking away nice and reliably, they just work.

Not a bad philosophy, I reckon!

Poettering: systemd for Administrators, Part XVIII (controllers)

Posted Oct 29, 2012 17:06 UTC (Mon) by raven667 (subscriber, #5198) [Link]

Your wit knows no bounds. 8-)

Poettering: systemd for Administrators, Part XVIII (controllers)

Posted Oct 29, 2012 17:26 UTC (Mon) by anselm (subscriber, #2796) [Link]

I respect that, do you really want to discard that knowledge and learning for something else just cause it's new?

People don't go for systemd because it is new. They go for systemd because in many respects it works better than what was used before.

It is funny how most of the arguments the SysV-init proponents use against systemd today (it is too complicated, it solves problems that don't exist, the existing solutions are powerful enough, …) might have been used against SysV init when that was new in the 1980s. The only argument against systemd that would not have applied to SysV init at the time seems to be »it was written by Lennart Poettering«.

Poettering: systemd for Administrators, Part XVIII (controllers)

Posted Oct 29, 2012 17:49 UTC (Mon) by Cyberax (✭ supporter ✭, #52523) [Link]

> There's like, OMG! a billion Android devices out there right now, not including all the other embedded linux devices out there, just ticking away nice and reliably, they just work.

And you might note, that these Android devices got rid of most of that UNIX stuff you're talking about. X11 - gone, UNIX service infrastructure - gone, shell-based design - gone, etc.

Poettering: systemd for Administrators, Part XVIII (controllers)

Posted Oct 29, 2012 19:58 UTC (Mon) by raven667 (subscriber, #5198) [Link]

I think he's just making fun of the standard argument now-a-days where someone tries to end the conversation by saying " ... but a billion Android devices (can't be wrong)!". As I recall from previous conversations, akeane is exceptionally dry-witted.


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