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No thanks to trolls.

No thanks to trolls.

Posted Oct 26, 2012 5:30 UTC (Fri) by jensend (guest, #1385)
In reply to: No thanks. by ncm
Parent article: Haley: We're doing an ARM64 OpenJDK port!

Please leave these kinds of moronic flamebait remarks at the door. You've been around LWN long enough to know better than to try to trash its signal-to-noise ratio with this kind of crap.

There's more software under Free Software compatible licenses in Java than in any other languages except C and C++. Such software, along with Java software under all kinds of other licenses, is used on the majority of Linux systems.

Just because you don't like to use it doesn't mean it has no relevance. Nor does it mean you can write off everyone who uses it (who greatly outnumber you and those with similar hostile attitudes) as corporate drones. You have no right to demand that subjects relevant to them not receive coverage from LWN. You most definitely have no right to dictate how developers spend their time and efforts.


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Posted Oct 26, 2012 6:28 UTC (Fri) by alankila (guest, #47141) [Link]

In a different tone, it's not like I personally have a love affair with Java, but I use it because it seems to be the best among a whole host of poor choices for the specific needs I have. I'm grateful it exists, but simultaneously a little disappointed that nobody has managed to make anything better.

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Posted Oct 26, 2012 7:05 UTC (Fri) by Cyberax (✭ supporter ✭, #52523) [Link]

Microsoft did. C# is massively better compared to Java.

However, it's not cross-platform (yeah, I know about Mono).

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Posted Oct 26, 2012 8:22 UTC (Fri) by khim (subscriber, #9252) [Link]

I think both C# and Java were giant waste of resources, but the fact remains: it's all in the past. Today there are a lot useful programs written in Java and it's much better to port OpenJDK rather then rewrite all these programs.

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Posted Oct 26, 2012 12:22 UTC (Fri) by alankila (guest, #47141) [Link]

As an old linux user, and current OS X user, I doubt I find C# to be quite strongly tied to the Windows environment. While things like Monodevelop exist, they have proven to be quite rough to use in practice, and the free class library documentation was also rather lacking. I haven't looked at the situation recently, but around 2 years ago the conclusion was inescapable: Mono is nowhere near ready enough.

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Posted Oct 26, 2012 16:36 UTC (Fri) by cortana (subscriber, #24596) [Link]

These days Mono is used in preference's to Microsoft's own .NET implementation by some developers who are targeting Windows (e.g., Bastion).

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Posted Oct 26, 2012 17:20 UTC (Fri) by khim (subscriber, #9252) [Link]

Bastion uses Mono because it was not developed for Windows. Chrome (NaCl) and Mac ports were planned relatively early thus it made sense to use Mono.

If you use recent versions of C# then it's basically impossible to use Mono.

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Posted Nov 9, 2012 3:14 UTC (Fri) by HelloWorld (guest, #56129) [Link]

> If you use recent versions of C# then it's basically impossible to use Mono.
Yeah right, except that Mono fully implements the current C# 5.0 specification.

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Posted Nov 9, 2012 4:35 UTC (Fri) by bronson (subscriber, #4806) [Link]

Yeah, and Microsoft is known for strictly adhering to specifications.

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Posted Nov 9, 2012 15:50 UTC (Fri) by HelloWorld (guest, #56129) [Link]

Name a place where Microsofts C# compiler deviates from the spec.

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Posted Nov 9, 2012 18:08 UTC (Fri) by bronson (subscriber, #4806) [Link]

If a standards-compliant compiler were all that mattered, Mono might have a chance.

All this has been beaten to death elsewhere so I'll leave it here.


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