LSS: Kernel security subsystem reports [LWN.net]

LSS: Kernel security subsystem reports

Posted Sep 29, 2012 10:09 UTC (Sat) by nix (subscriber, #2304)
In reply to: LSS: Kernel security subsystem reports by spender
Parent article: LSS: Kernel security subsystem reports

Yes, I am aware of its codomain/subdomain history.

I wasn't aware that you were calling AppArmor 'new' and claiming precedence over it because it changed its name. Sheesh. Yes, yes, you were first, well done, as long as you ignore another program which had the temerity to change its name at some point in its history. That changes everything, I'm sure. Semantic quibbling.

A couple lines of perl operating effectively no differently than audit2allow. This is not real learning. It provides no predictive power

Yeah. That's all that it ever did. It never claimed to offer 'predictive power': it's an easy way to put together an initial set of rules based on what programs are actually doing. Providing proper predictive power of course involves automatically analyzing the programs in question and figuring out what they do, which is apt to slam straight into Rice's theorem and even if you avoid that by approximation is going to be terrifyingly unpleasant to write.

you're a hopeless cause: a glib peddler of intellectual dishonesty, arguing for the sake of semantic argument

What a repulsive person you are. Do you normally respond to factual correction with semantic quibbling and vile personal attacks accusing me of precisely what you yourself are doing? (Personal attacks which you'll note I cannot defend myself against, since if your assertions are true nothing I say is worth anything.)

Actually, I've seen you argue here before. Yes, you do revert to vile personal attacks whenever you're losing an argument.

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LSS: Kernel security subsystem reports

Posted Sep 29, 2012 14:03 UTC (Sat) by spender (guest, #23067) [Link]

> I wasn't aware that you were calling AppArmor 'new' and claiming precedence over it because it changed its name. Sheesh. Yes, yes, you were first, well done, as long as you ignore another program which had the temerity to change its name at some point in its history. That changes everything, I'm sure. Semantic quibbling.

I used very specific words, which have a very specific meaning. I know, based on your previous arguments, that you feel words are arbitrary and their definitions subject to your own personal whims, but here are the facts:

I said I created real learning for grsecurity 4 years before AppArmor was released. It was released in 2006. It was announced in 2005 during the announcement of discontinuing Immunix OS. Two months later Novell bought Cowan's company (http://archives.neohapsis.com/archives/linux/immunix/2005...), but AppArmor was not released/announced in any available product until 2006. These are just facts.

Furthermore, codomain/subdomain are irrelevant to the discussion of learning, because they didn't have any, or even an audit2allow equivalent. This only began with what they called AppArmor, the utility being called genprof, and again the reason why I told you already you wouldn't be able to find any prior mention of learning. Read for yourself: http://archives.neohapsis.com/archives/linux/immunix/2005...

So there was no need for me to "ignore another program" to claim to be the first. I know it's shocking to you, but "AppArmor" was not just a name change, hence my MS-DOS/Windows reference in the first line of my reply.

So here you have the real facts and evidence straight from primary sources. Do you still prefer the "facts" pulled from your ass?

-Brad