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Security quotes of the week

Posted Sep 7, 2012 3:55 UTC (Fri) by josh (subscriber, #17465)
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The fundamental problem with these "content ID" services: they don't offer a counter-notice mechanism. The DMCA allows users to provide a counter-notice, saying that the content should go back up, and taking full responsibility for it; that then indemnifies the hosting service, and effectively tells the entity making an infringement claim "sue me if you think you have a case". However, these "content ID" services don't have such a mechanism.


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Posted Sep 7, 2012 3:56 UTC (Fri) by josh (subscriber, #17465) [Link]

(To clarify, the existence of these services seems like a bug in the first place, but the issue I mentioned seems like the most *fatal* problem with their operation other than their existence.)

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Posted Sep 7, 2012 10:14 UTC (Fri) by Tjebbe (subscriber, #34055) [Link]

right, the fundamental problem there is that it is 'guilty-until-proven-innocent' and not the other way around.

It's also one-directional; there do not seem to be any penalties if the 'rightsholders' make false claims (automated or not). So there is no incentive for them not to overshoot.

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Posted Sep 7, 2012 13:03 UTC (Fri) by drag (subscriber, #31333) [Link]

The fundamental problem here is people assume that "Intellectual Property Law" is legitimate just because it's a law or that 'people have a right to make money from their work'.

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Posted Sep 7, 2012 11:27 UTC (Fri) by mina86 (subscriber, #68442) [Link]

Uh? Where did you get that information from? If your video gets flagged on YouTube you can say that you have the right to publish it and the it will not be blocked. Of course, if the video really infringed, you may expect a threat from some lawyer.

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Posted Sep 7, 2012 14:51 UTC (Fri) by josh (subscriber, #17465) [Link]

I haven't had a video flagged personally, so this information comes from reports I've seen over the last several years; as I understand it you have an option to claim that it doesn't infringe, but that option doesn't do anything except cause the entity flagging your video to re-examine it, and if they say "no" again then you have no further recourse.

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Posted Sep 7, 2012 15:37 UTC (Fri) by mina86 (subscriber, #68442) [Link]

According to my understanding of what http://www.youtube.com/t/contentid_dispute says (and what in fact I know from other sources inside Google), if person uploading the video fills a form claiming that it has been misidentified, the video is immediately unblocked and owner of the original video that matched has to fill an DMCA if she still believes uploader infringes copyright.

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Posted Sep 7, 2012 15:55 UTC (Fri) by josh (subscriber, #17465) [Link]

Nothing on the page you linked to says that the video will be immediately unblocked, and I've seen many reports from people with blocked videos who have specifically said the video remains blocked. "We then notify the content owner whose reference material was matched. The content owner will then review the match. If the content owner disagrees with your dispute for any reason..."

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Posted Sep 10, 2012 7:36 UTC (Mon) by mina86 (subscriber, #68442) [Link]

All right, found a better source <http://youtube-global.blogspot.com/2010/04/content-id-and...> which states that “Once you've filed your dispute, your video immediately goes back up on YouTube.”

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Posted Sep 10, 2012 7:14 UTC (Mon) by jezuch (subscriber, #52988) [Link]

> Uh? Where did you get that information from?

I guess from everyone who ever tried to appeal the automated ban due to copyright violation. There are lots and lots of horror stories on the Internet. Bottom line: if you're not a megacorporation, nobody really cares about you.

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Posted Sep 10, 2012 7:28 UTC (Mon) by mina86 (subscriber, #68442) [Link]

The only horror stories I've heard was of people who *did not* dispute the ContentID match in fear of later legal actions from the owner of content that matched. This is a completely different issue.


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