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Posted Aug 13, 2012 12:05 UTC (Mon) by nye (guest, #51576)
In reply to: ACCESS_ONCE() by quanstro
Parent article: ACCESS_ONCE()

>in the example given in the op, there was no reason for the read to be in the
> loop, except if it might change. the compiler made the assumption that the
> coder was wrong. that might not be a useful assumption.

No, the coder *was* wrong, and the assumption is *always correct in standard C*. That's the point. The programmer might have assumed semantics which are not C, but the compiler merely assumed that the programmer was writing in C, not writing in some unspecified language that looks a lot *like* C and exists only in the programmer's head.

It is axiomatic that a valid optimisation (ie. one which precisely follows C semantics, and any which don't are buggy and tend to be quickly fixed) cannot break correct valid C; if code breaks then it is because the programmer has made incorrect assumptions about the exact meaning *in C* of what they're writing.

If your variable might change between accesses, then you need to tell the compiler that, because it is not the case in the standard C model, which is why there's a keyword existing specifically for that purpose.

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Posted Aug 16, 2012 14:52 UTC (Thu) by quanstro (guest, #77996) [Link]

i agree with what you say, but that's not the point i'm trying to make.
(and btw, i don't think that ACCESS_ONCE is standard c. nor can the
kernel be compiled with an arbitrary compiler; it depends on gcc.)

for me, making code safe from all possible according-to-hoyle legal
transformations of the code is not really interesting or useful.
i'd much rather focus on having a tractable, easy-to-use programming

if restricting the compiler from making some theoretically legal
code transformations reduces bugs and generally makes life easier,
then why not do it?

as it is i believe there are some gcc optimizations that can break the


Posted Aug 19, 2012 19:38 UTC (Sun) by PaulMcKenney (subscriber, #9624) [Link]

ACCESS_ONCE() is simply the macro called out in the article, which simply uses the volatile keyword in a cast, which is part of standard C.

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