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CyanogenMod 9 is stable; 10 is underway

CyanogenMod 9 is stable; 10 is underway

Posted Aug 10, 2012 16:13 UTC (Fri) by kragil (guest, #34373)
Parent article: CyanogenMod 9 is stable; 10 is underway

Sadly CM9 is not available for my handset, but is it true that it lost the ability to remove permissions from apps?
If so I wouldn't be as sad, because I love that feature.


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CyanogenMod 9 is stable; 10 is underway

Posted Aug 10, 2012 16:46 UTC (Fri) by servilio-ap (subscriber, #56287) [Link]

> Sadly CM9 is not available for my handset

Not even in nightlies? I have been running nightlies in the HP Touch for months and it has been very stable (for the features that work, that is).

>, but is it true that it lost the ability to remove permissions from apps?

Yes, that is lost.

CyanogenMod 9 is stable; 10 is underway

Posted Aug 10, 2012 16:55 UTC (Fri) by josh (subscriber, #17465) [Link]

Any idea or reference about the rationale for that change?

CyanogenMod 9 is stable; 10 is underway

Posted Aug 10, 2012 17:37 UTC (Fri) by servilio-ap (subscriber, #56287) [Link]

Haven't found much beyond the answer given here to a similar question:

http://forum.cyanogenmod.com/topic/44589-combining-cyanog...

It is not clear if the decision was to take out the permission management altogether when the powers that be weighted in on the issue.

Also found a couple of G+ posts where people ask about this but haven't got any answer, e.g.:

https://plus.google.com/117962666888533781522/posts/LtbxP...

I wonder if something like is what transpired with WhisperCore:

http://www.whispersys.com/whispercore.html

It was developed by the same people behind RedPhone and TextSecure.

There are alternatives, like PDroid, but it would be most useful if at least permission management was included out of the box, putting control back in the hands of the user.

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1589259

CyanogenMod 9 is stable; 10 is underway

Posted Aug 10, 2012 19:46 UTC (Fri) by sb (subscriber, #191) [Link]

Does anyone else dislike that much of the android community seems to revolve around web forums and zip files distributed on random download sites?

CyanogenMod 9 is stable; 10 is underway

Posted Aug 10, 2012 19:48 UTC (Fri) by drag (subscriber, #31333) [Link]

I don't see much of a difference between that and mailing lists and tarballs hosted on random ftp servers.

CyanogenMod 9 is stable; 10 is underway

Posted Aug 10, 2012 21:03 UTC (Fri) by cmccabe (guest, #60281) [Link]

There is a big difference between mailing lists and web forums. Most mailing lists are not moderated, whereas most web forums are. Most web forums are not archived, whereas most mailing lists are. Most mailing lists are plain text, whereas most web forums use some kind of markup language, usually an annoying one that's slightly different than all the other markup languages out there.

When you host something on an FTP server, it's usually because you have some relationship with the admins of that server. You can't get binaries up on ftp.kernel.org without talking to the kernel.org people. Whereas if you use megaupload or one of the thousand other file lockers, all it proves is that you know how to wait 15 seconds and click through some HTML forms.

I realize there are exceptions to these generalizations-- for example, the lwn.net web forum is one. Google+ seems to be another bright spot in the sea of mediocre web 2.0 walled gardens. But in general, there is a reason why mailing lists and ftp are preferred.

CyanogenMod 9 is stable; 10 is underway

Posted Aug 10, 2012 22:58 UTC (Fri) by ldarby (guest, #41318) [Link]

The FTP protocol needs to die already, it's nearly 30 years old and has various problems with NAT and a terrible latency that HTTP simply does not have. On that point, those random filesharing sites that make you wait need to die as well!

CyanogenMod 9 is stable; 10 is underway

Posted Aug 10, 2012 23:43 UTC (Fri) by ldarby (guest, #41318) [Link]

Another thing that needs to die but won't is the use of the term ROM to refer what I would call "images".

ROM = Read Only Memory = Semiconductor hardware that stores information which cannot under any circumstances be modified.

Using "ROM" to refer to an operating system (or more generally, a set of software) that can be installed into re-writeable memory, is just bizarre...

CyanogenMod 9 is stable; 10 is underway

Posted Aug 13, 2012 18:26 UTC (Mon) by Nico57 (subscriber, #63763) [Link]

Still, system files are generally stored on read-only memory from the system's point of view, and the device needs to be switched to some special update mode to get write access to it.
So "ROM" is not all that wrong.

"Image" sounds even more confusing. :)
You could go for "system image", "system archive" or simply "system update", but ROM tends to be the most universally understood and less ambiguous term.

CyanogenMod 9 is stable; 10 is underway

Posted Aug 13, 2012 19:46 UTC (Mon) by ldarby (guest, #41318) [Link]

I know "image" is a bit vague but it already has precedence as in "ISO image", and conceptually it's correct:

Image (ISO) => CDR(W)
Image (software) => Phone with EEPROM

How much sense does burning a CDROM to a CDRW make? The same amount as flashing a ROM to a phone.

"EEPROM Image" would be correct and I wouldn't be surprised if that's what it actually was, and then instantly got abbreviated to just ROM, because no one would want to say "ee-ee-prom image". Pretty much like almost no one wants to say "Guh-nooo-linux" - too many syllables.

CyanogenMod 9 is stable; 10 is underway

Posted Aug 13, 2012 20:17 UTC (Mon) by nybble41 (subscriber, #55106) [Link]

Actually I'm fairly sure the "ROM" term comes from the modding community. At least for older consoles (NES/SNES/N64/etc.), the original memory images were extracted from literal ROM chips for modification or emulation; the term "ROM" thus identifies the source of the data. Modern consoles (and Android) use optical media or SDDs / hard drives rather than actual ROMs, but the term stuck.

Of course, Android is nominally open source, so it shouldn't be necessary to mess with binary-level modifications. However, the fact that one can't actually build the unabridged equivalent of the Android system image shipping on any real hardware from just the published source code means that we are still at least partly at the "mod" stage rather than "distributions". Android has quite a bit of maturing to do to catch up with Linux on that front.

s/EEPROM/Flash/

Posted Aug 14, 2012 8:02 UTC (Tue) by mastro (guest, #72665) [Link]

Not many people on this planet are rich enough to afford a phone with gigabytes of EEPROM. The system software on Android devices is simply written to Flash memory, not EEPROM.

s/EEPROM/Flash/

Posted Aug 14, 2012 17:37 UTC (Tue) by Jonno (subscriber, #49613) [Link]

Flash is technically just a collection of EEPROMs, hidden behind a nice abstraction layer. The individual EEPROMs in a flash device are just called "erase blocks" nowadays...

That said, calling an RFS-image a "ROM" is really just legacy terminology, carried over to a replacement technology. Much like the term "broadband" is used to denote all fast network connections, even those not utilizing a broad frequency band...

CyanogenMod 9 is stable; 10 is underway

Posted Aug 10, 2012 21:05 UTC (Fri) by faramir (subscriber, #2327) [Link]

It may just be me, but it seems to me that forums (and their seemingly infinite length threads) make it more difficult to find the information that I need. Mailing lists either via their archives (indexed by Google) or my email readers natural threading by subject line seem to work better.

CyanogenMod 9 is stable; 10 is underway

Posted Aug 10, 2012 22:17 UTC (Fri) by job (guest, #670) [Link]

FTP servers are not chosen at random. They normally belong to (or at least affiliated with) the project or person distributing the software, whereas megarapiduploadz.com is not. Somehow I think you knew that already.

Also: if someone who is actually a real known person participating a discussion produces software I might consider looking at it or even installing it. If thed00d at hotmail does the same, then not so much.

CyanogenMod 9 is stable; 10 is underway

Posted Aug 13, 2012 21:02 UTC (Mon) by drag (subscriber, #31333) [Link]

> whereas megarapiduploadz.com is not. Somehow I think you knew that already.

It's not much harder to purchase a random domain name and put a ftp server on some home cable TV connection. That is the sort of thing that was extremely common for years and years in Linux. It doesn't provide any sort of additional assurances or security beyond what a http link to 'megaupload.com' or whatever does.

> Also: if someone who is actually a real known person participating a discussion produces software I might consider looking at it or even installing it. If thed00d at hotmail does the same, then not so much.

Whatever. They are no more 'not anonymous' then 90% of 'old school' open source programmers out there.

fundamentally you are (and other people) complaining about here problem is the lack of maturity regarding the infrastructure that the new wave of developers are bringing in from experiences alien from your own. Whether you are aware of it or not, it doesn't matter. It is effectively a generation gap.

As projects mature so will the infrastructure they use.

If you wait around to get involved then it will just be that much more painful to try to convince these people to adopt practices that traditional OSS developers have developed over the past 20 or 30 years.

CyanogenMod 9 is stable; 10 is underway

Posted Aug 10, 2012 21:42 UTC (Fri) by clump (subscriber, #27801) [Link]

Full agreement, especially regarding zip files. This is my biggest gripe with the 'modding' community. Random zip files hosted on file sharing sites.

CyanogenMod 9 is stable; 10 is underway

Posted Aug 11, 2012 22:15 UTC (Sat) by mfuzzey (subscriber, #57966) [Link]

In general yes I agree this is a big problem. However Cyanogen is a bit of an exception, having a proper git repo.

CyanogenMod 9 is stable; 10 is underway

Posted Aug 10, 2012 17:50 UTC (Fri) by servilio-ap (subscriber, #56287) [Link]

I found also TISSA:

http://news.ncsu.edu/releases/wms-jiang-tissa/

But the researchers haven't released the source for it.


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