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Posted Jul 17, 2012 17:02 UTC (Tue) by nim-nim (subscriber, #34454)
In reply to: This isn't new by ceplm
Parent article: Left by Rawhide

Over the years, some Fedora developers have successfully lobbied to impress the 'Rawhide eat babies' and 'so what' if it's broken, it's Rawhide' on Fedora users.

It wasn't always the case. A decade ago there was some pride in keeping rawhide usable (and using it oneself). It's on (then rhl) list I've read first the 'dogfoodable' term (about rawhide).

It's sad that in their eagerness not to be held accountable for what they put in rawhide some packagers are poisoning the well from which Fedora itself (and derivatives) come.

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Posted Jul 17, 2012 20:40 UTC (Tue) by dwmw2 (subscriber, #2063) [Link] (1 responses)

I agree. I'm not trying to defend this situation — just pointing out that I don't think it's caused by the 'No Frozen Rawhide' thing.

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Posted Jul 18, 2012 7:25 UTC (Wed) by ceplm (subscriber, #41334) [Link]

I would even go further ... even if Rawhide quality really went down (I don't use Rawhide myself, so I cannot testify about that), and even if such decrease in quality was caused by the current Fedora development work-flow (and that's a big if), it still doesn't follow that such change in work-flow wasn't worthy of possible increase in overall quality of released Fedoras (if that happened). Maybe we just have to adjust our upgrading policy to the new reality and the total may be still worthy.

And yes, nevertheless I am still longing after those days when men were men, women were women, and both of them (maybe helping each other) used Rawhide. ;)