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Posted Jul 16, 2012 21:49 UTC (Mon) by ceplm (subscriber, #41334)
In reply to: This isn't new by corbet
Parent article: Left by Rawhide

I think the point is not that Rawhide is now broken (after all, it is supposed to eat your babies, right?), but that nobody uses it is so often broken for a long long time, because not many developers uses it as their production machine. Old-time Rawhide used to be broken often (I was told that "there are days when Rawhide actually boots up" when I was asking about its usefulness in approx. FC6 time frame), but it was also rapidly fixed because the developer's own machine was broken as well.

Not saying that it is good or bad (yes, I was using that "update in time of Alpha policy" as well when I was still using Fedora as my main system ;now I have to use RHEL for the work-related reasons), just clarifying what I read in the original article.

Matěj

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Posted Jul 17, 2012 17:02 UTC (Tue) by nim-nim (subscriber, #34454) [Link] (2 responses)

Over the years, some Fedora developers have successfully lobbied to impress the 'Rawhide eat babies' and 'so what' if it's broken, it's Rawhide' on Fedora users.

It wasn't always the case. A decade ago there was some pride in keeping rawhide usable (and using it oneself). It's on (then rhl) list I've read first the 'dogfoodable' term (about rawhide).

It's sad that in their eagerness not to be held accountable for what they put in rawhide some packagers are poisoning the well from which Fedora itself (and derivatives) come.

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Posted Jul 17, 2012 20:40 UTC (Tue) by dwmw2 (subscriber, #2063) [Link] (1 responses)

I agree. I'm not trying to defend this situation — just pointing out that I don't think it's caused by the 'No Frozen Rawhide' thing.

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Posted Jul 18, 2012 7:25 UTC (Wed) by ceplm (subscriber, #41334) [Link]

I would even go further ... even if Rawhide quality really went down (I don't use Rawhide myself, so I cannot testify about that), and even if such decrease in quality was caused by the current Fedora development work-flow (and that's a big if), it still doesn't follow that such change in work-flow wasn't worthy of possible increase in overall quality of released Fedoras (if that happened). Maybe we just have to adjust our upgrading policy to the new reality and the total may be still worthy.

And yes, nevertheless I am still longing after those days when men were men, women were women, and both of them (maybe helping each other) used Rawhide. ;)