Left by Rawhide

Posted Jul 16, 2012 17:00 UTC (Mon) by dowdle (subscriber, #659)
Parent article: Left by Rawhide

Jon, I can certainly understand your frustration and I'm glad you held back and turned away from rantiness... and I do understand why you have decided to move on from Rawhide. I've never been brave enough to run it myself.

My question/comment though is... that it is fairly well known that a lot of original development goes on in Fedora... so it would be interesting for you to perhaps sample a few of the other major distributions to see how true that Fedora fact holds up. I'm guessing that it will indeed hold up and that most other distributions will be somewhat boring by comparison... but then again, what do I know?!?

I do occasionally download the Fedora nightly iso builds... but they seem to have hiatuses... and not being that familiar with the nitty-gritty of their release cycle, I'm guessing that is normal. Following their development releases is a good way to keep up on the development since those are made from Rawhide (I think)... and at least you know they build... and are installable... unless they aren't. That's kind of the way I've been doing some Rawhide tasting. If desired, you can still periodically sample the development builds without being committed to anything... and using a VM means you don't have to worry about breaking something you might care about.

In any event, getting a better handle on the development going on elsewhere is certainly going to be a good thing... but I do enjoy your glimpses into Fedora so I also wish some retention of that was possible. Phoronix also seems to cover the internals of Fedora development some, although mainly via mailing lists... and hey, it is easy enough for those interested to subscribe themselves, right?

Thanks for the article and all past articles regarding Rawhide. They will be missed.

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Left by Rawhide

Posted Jul 17, 2012 7:56 UTC (Tue) by ovitters (guest, #27950) [Link] (2 responses)

It would be nice if LWN evaluated Mageia for a while. The 'Rawhide' is called Cauldron. You're expected to follow mageia-dev, as planned changes are announced there (+ after the fact announcement in case breakage was unplanned).

I don't have any major issues running Cauldron, aside from the periodical big changes. For big changes we have an updates_testing channel, to test e.g. new xorg or new systemd. Those are used rarely though.

Packagers not running Cauldron are the exception (though take into account the size of the distribution; Fedora is much bigger).

Note that at the moment I find Cauldron really unstable compared to usual. This due to two big problems; Postfix doesn't start and as we're switching to systemd only, GDM doesn't seem to notice that you logged out.

Left by Rawhide

Posted Jul 18, 2012 16:40 UTC (Wed) by halfline (guest, #31920) [Link] (1 responses)

The not noticing log out issue is probably this:

https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=677556

(and the older:

http://cgit.freedesktop.org/systemd/systemd/commit/?id=8c...

)

Left by Rawhide

Posted Jul 27, 2012 1:29 UTC (Fri) by ovitters (guest, #27950) [Link]

We have GDM 3.5.4.2 and this patch is included. I'll ask someone to file another bug + check if they really are running the latest systemd.