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standing up for one's own software freedom is "free range meta-trolling"?

standing up for one's own software freedom is "free range meta-trolling"?

Posted Jul 6, 2012 18:24 UTC (Fri) by bkuhn (subscriber, #58642)
In reply to: The next GPL: Why it's being shaped on GitHub (InfoWorld) by webmink
Parent article: The next GPL: Why it's being shaped on GitHub (InfoWorld)

webmink, are you seriously arguing that if someone says: I don't want to have to use proprietary software just to participate in this community, that they are free-range meta-trolling?

What if you invited me to speak at a conference and said I had to give my presentation using a Mac running OSX? I know that's your preferred laptop, but would you call me a free-range meta-troll for criticizing that requirement?

BTW, Fontana has admitted that the issue tracker on GitHub is inadequate for the needs of issue tracking for a license, so even your expedient “prefer proprietary software when it's technically better” argument fails here, at least according to Fontana.

Fontana and I would probably both agree that the right issue tracker for a license doesn't clearly exist yet. Orion and I designed stet for texts that are “like legislation”: a document already nearly complete that needed public input. Co-Ment is stet's AGPL'd intellectual heir, but it isn't the right fit for a license text in high flux.

I've asked Fontana to draw up a feature set for what an issue tracker needs to have for license development. I'm happy to be part of the solution and help create one. But in the meantime while that doesn't exist, why is a proprietary solution substandard for the task being used?


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standing up for one's own software freedom is "free range meta-trolling"?

Posted Jul 6, 2012 19:18 UTC (Fri) by k8to (subscriber, #15413) [Link]

That's not at all what he's saying. He's saying that unfocused venues lead to nonsense.

standing up for one's own software freedom is "free range meta-trolling"?

Posted Jul 6, 2012 20:54 UTC (Fri) by webmink (guest, #47180) [Link]

What k8to said. Cool it. I was not talking about you at all.

standing up for one's own software freedom is "free range meta-trolling"?

Posted Jul 7, 2012 1:28 UTC (Sat) by bkuhn (subscriber, #58642) [Link]

Sorry if I misunderstood; since I'm the one who suggested switching to Gitorious, I wasn't sure who else you could mean.

But, regardless, that still leaves the question: is a known-to-be-inadequate proprietary issue tracker solving any problems here? We don't have what's needed, that's clear, so we just use inadequate proprietary software? This seems deeply wrong-headed to me for a project that seeks to write a license to uphold software freedom.

standing up for one's own software freedom is "free range meta-trolling"?

Posted Jul 8, 2012 5:02 UTC (Sun) by jra (subscriber, #55261) [Link]

> What if you invited me to speak at a conference and said I had to give my presentation using a Mac running OSX?

I was faced with that very dilemma. I told them (Apple) to bugger off :-).

http://www.samba.org/samba/news/articles/low_point/column...


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