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Cybersecurity and CISPA

Cybersecurity and CISPA

Posted May 4, 2012 13:10 UTC (Fri) by nix (subscriber, #2304)
In reply to: Cybersecurity and CISPA by jackb
Parent article: Cybersecurity and CISPA

That does indeed appear to be what drag believes. Speaking as someone whose life (and the lives of 3/4s of his family) were saved by repeated interventions from one of the US right wing's giant bugbears, state-funded healthcare, I'm pretty sure I have grounds to disagree. On Planet Libertarian I would be dead.


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Cybersecurity and CISPA

Posted May 6, 2012 23:03 UTC (Sun) by man_ls (guest, #15091) [Link]

Ah, but drag has a point in this case. The potential for abuse and corruption in a function such as total information awareness is too high for any government to have, so it should be forbidden by law. Probably by an amendment to the constitution of all democratic countries.

Not so with public healthcare or other functions, which may or may not be provided by the government, but there are no a priori arguments against the function itself. (Sure, US right-wingers have a plethora of such arguments. They just don't make any sense.)

Cybersecurity and CISPA

Posted May 8, 2012 9:00 UTC (Tue) by nix (subscriber, #2304) [Link]

Oh, agreed -- pervasive spying by *anyone* is a bad thing. (However, your assumption that all democratic countries *have* a constitution to be amended, or anything like one, is a tad parochial. You can build a country entirely on overlapping layers of precedent and "this is the way we always did it" if you keep at it long enough.)

Lack of a constitution

Posted May 8, 2012 9:16 UTC (Tue) by man_ls (guest, #15091) [Link]

Yep, sorry. I suppose UK citizens would be even more offended if I suggested that EU directives play the role of a super-constitution since each of these has to be transposed to local legislation... Perhaps this particular right to electronic privacy should be included in the bill of human rights, or something else with the pretense of being universal. Is it too late to amend the Magna Carta?

Anyway, the traditional right to privacy should be enhanced by including electronic surveillance and data retention as effective means of violating privacy. Bad things can happen, and are happening in places like PRC.

Lack of a constitution

Posted May 8, 2012 15:51 UTC (Tue) by nix (subscriber, #2304) [Link]

You could amend the Magna Carta if you liked, but it's almost entirely repealed by this point anyway so it's pretty much pointless to do so. It's not a constitution of any sort.

(But, yes, pedantry aside I agree with your original point!)


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