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Ctrl-Shit-P doesn't compare to Ctrl-Shift-N

Ctrl-Shit-P doesn't compare to Ctrl-Shift-N

Posted Feb 9, 2012 10:37 UTC (Thu) by mchouque (subscriber, #62087)
In reply to: Because it's a memory-hogging monster? by fb
Parent article: Tracking users

> FWIW, Firefox has "start private browsing" Ctrl-Shift-P (quite an old feature AFAIK).

Ctrl-Shit-P doesn't compare to Ctrl-Shift-N because in Chrome/Chromium it doesn't replace your window while with Firefox it does...

So with Chrome you can have both private and and non private at the same time.

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I run both

Posted Feb 9, 2012 11:21 UTC (Thu) by alex (subscriber, #1355) [Link]

I run both Chromium (day-to-day) and Firefox (start in private browsing mode, AdBlock, NoScript, Proxy) mainly for this reason. I don't find switching between the two too much of a chore and Firefox has been making gains in the performance stakes for some time. I still prefer Chromium's developer tools over Firebug though.

On another note I've now got to make the choice between Firefox and Chrome on my phone. At the moment I think Firefox is the nicer mobile browser but it's good to have the competition. It also wins points fpr being fully open source.

I run both

Posted Feb 9, 2012 20:19 UTC (Thu) by mathstuf (subscriber, #69389) [Link]

I've used Firefox for a while (Incredible and now the Galaxy Nexus) and I've switched to Chrome on the phone after just a few hours of testing it out. Some pros/cons of each (on the Galaxy Nexus):

Firefox Pros:
- I can change the search engine.
- The readability plugin.
- Save page to PDF.

Firefox Cons:
- URL bar does not appear mid-page if bookmarks/history/etc. is displayed (it shows the page behind it instead).
- Cannot scroll tab page panel thing on ICS (it worked on 2.3), so anything after the 12th tab or so is inaccessible without closing other tabs.
- Has issues with remembering pages when using "back" after going to another app (opens a page I closed hours ago and forgets the 10 or so tabs I had most recently).
- Tiny targets for tab closing and switching makes it way to easy to do the wrong thing.
- Sometimes forgets URLs if I open in a new tab and don't switch to it "soon" which means I probably also forgot what link I opened it from, losing the page that I wanted to read.
- Can't setup synchronization without a desktop instance…which I don't use.

Chrome Pros:
- Tab switching/management is *much* nicer.
- Can use sync without needing the desktop browser to set it up.
- Feels faster.
- Starts up in a reasonable amount of time (Firefox 9 got better…but it's still painful).

Chrome Cons:
- Can't change the search engine besides the baked in ones (I much prefer DDG over Google search).
- Too actively forgets the page and reloads it on app switch (making LWN unread damn near impossible to use in it). But, it at least reliably remembers the URL that the tab opened with.
- Can't find the downloaded files list to open previously downloaded files (sure there are directory browsers, but that should be unnecessary).
- Doesn't reflow text on a portrait → landscape rotation, instead, zooms the text to fit in the new size. The text can't be zoomed out again without reloading the page (feedback sent).

Overall, Chrome is much nicer because Firefox dies from the "1000 papercuts" effect. Both browsers need a "save for later" option that is more permanent than a tab and less permanent than bookmarks. Another app for this feature feels…unwarranted.

I run both

Posted Feb 10, 2012 15:59 UTC (Fri) by KaiRo (subscriber, #1987) [Link]

Check out the reworked Firerox for Android when it comes out in a few weeks, it will be pretty interesting and fast. Aurora and Nightly development builds are available already.

Firefox for Android

Posted Feb 10, 2012 16:02 UTC (Fri) by alex (subscriber, #1355) [Link]

I get my Firefox from the excellent f-droid repo ( Perhaps it would be worth submitting the appropriate meta-data magic to make it easier to distribute the nightlies? Otherwise I assume it's a manual load of the APK with adb?

Firefox for Android

Posted Feb 11, 2012 18:22 UTC (Sat) by KaiRo (subscriber, #1987) [Link]

Our release team submits Beta and final release builds to the Android market, not sure if there are any plans to go for the F-Droid repo as well. We also have APKs available that can be installed directly from our website and receive updates through our own update check mechanism.
There's new Aurora and Nightly builds every day, I'm not sure how well that works with any market or repo, so I think and are probably the better variants to get them. Note that those builds are still heavily under development.

I run both

Posted Feb 10, 2012 23:21 UTC (Fri) by mathstuf (subscriber, #69389) [Link]

I installed Aurora on my Incredible, and it is indeed more slick. Unfortunately, synchronization still requires a desktop instance to mediate. I'll try it out more on the Nexus tonight.

I run both

Posted Feb 20, 2012 18:05 UTC (Mon) by mathstuf (subscriber, #69389) [Link]

Is it possible for Aurora to use the central Android certificate store? I use for my personal site and I imported the root certificates into my phones. Chrome is happy, but Firefox complains about it not trusing the connection. Also, after adding exceptions, I see no way to manage them other than clearing all of Aurora's data.

I run both

Posted Feb 10, 2012 16:02 UTC (Fri) by KaiRo (subscriber, #1987) [Link]

The integrated developer tools in Firefox that are already in 10 and still being vastly improved in updoming versions do look pretty interesting from what I can tell. Make sure to try the from time to time!

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