That newfangled Journal thing

Posted Nov 30, 2011 23:26 UTC (Wed) by dlang (guest, #313)
In reply to: That newfangled Journal thing by elanthis
Parent article: That newfangled Journal thing

for most people, the new features of journald won't matter, they either don't have any worm device to store the hashes to to make things secure, ot they don't care about such features because they send all of the logs to a remote system.

he's 'solving' a problem that isn't really there, and he doesn't actually solve the stated problem.

Also, please point out anywhere that I have said anything about pulseaudio.

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That newfangled Journal thing

Posted Nov 30, 2011 23:34 UTC (Wed) by anselm (subscriber, #2796) [Link] (2 responses)

Read the <expletive> proposal. Journald isn't just about the hashes.

That newfangled Journal thing

Posted Nov 30, 2011 23:44 UTC (Wed) by dlang (guest, #313) [Link] (1 responses)

I have read the proposal, and I still think that overall he is solving problems that don't exist in ways that don't really solve the stated problem

if you want to ignore the hashes part of things, we can talk about the structured log part of things. logs are only as structured as the programmer creating them makes them, if you have a super-detailed log structure available and the programmer creates a field "details" type "string" and puts everything into that field it is going to be just as unstructured as syslog traditionally has been.

He ignores or is ignorant of recent standards in syslog (some of which go back quite a few years)

he has a few new ideas buried in the proposal, but they are so overshadowed by misstatements and 'solutions' to problems that already have documented, standardized solutions (that are not compatible with the proposed solution other than running logging services in parallel) that it undermines the entire proposal

That newfangled Journal thing

Posted Dec 1, 2011 17:03 UTC (Thu) by kh (guest, #19413) [Link]

Thank you for being a voice of reason.