blog entry on journal by the primary author of rsyslog

Posted Nov 25, 2011 9:23 UTC (Fri) by anselm (subscriber, #2796)
In reply to: blog entry on journal by the primary author of rsyslog by dlang
Parent article: That newfangled Journal thing

Sensible man. I think many of the advocates of »syslog is the One True Way and may never change« would do well to read that item.

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blog entry on journal by the primary author of rsyslog

Posted Nov 25, 2011 9:30 UTC (Fri) by dlang (guest, #313) [Link] (2 responses)

I am not saying that syslog should never change. (I have been party to changing syslog, both through writing code and through getting my company to pay for code to be written), the fundamental problem isn't that there is change, it's the lack of compatibility of the change.

and no, saying that you can run two logging systems doesn't make it compatible. that makes it possible to co-exist (for now), which is a very different thing.

and the reason I say "for now" is that the advocates of the new system are extremely dismissive of everything on the old system, and of anyone who likes it, so why will they keep going to any effort to keep this co-existance possible? See Gnome for a perfect example of this. they told people that if they didn't like the new Shell they could just use fallback mode so don't complain, now they are saying that fallback mode is strictly temporary.

blog entry on journal by the primary author of rsyslog

Posted Nov 26, 2011 18:32 UTC (Sat) by rahulsundaram (subscriber, #21946) [Link] (1 responses)

You are wrong about GNOME. GNOME developers never have claimed that the fallback mode is anything other than a temporary thing. You are confusing random posters with GNOME developers. This is misleading.

blog entry on journal by the primary author of rsyslog

Posted Dec 1, 2011 8:43 UTC (Thu) by ovitters (guest, #27950) [Link]

It was given the name fallback to make clear it is not the standard mode. Intention from the start was to keep it for the entire GNOME 3.x. However, amount of maintenance it needs was severely underestimated. This coupled with low usage (though impossible to measure) is the reason the maintenance might be given up earlier. Still not decided though.

And if you want it more official:
http://mail.gnome.org/archives/release-team/2011-November...

Please note the lack of reply on that :P

blog entry on journal by the primary author of rsyslog

Posted Nov 26, 2011 17:41 UTC (Sat) by cdmiller (guest, #2813) [Link] (1 responses)

And those advocates of >>anything Lennart says regarding systemd/journal is the One True Way and no one else could possibly know better<< would also do well to read that item and the follow up postings.

blog entry on journal by the primary author of rsyslog

Posted Nov 27, 2011 4:52 UTC (Sun) by raven667 (subscriber, #5198) [Link]

I can't say I've seen any actual posts like that in the LWN discussions of Lennart's proposals. That's a pretty transparent straw-man used to justify your feelings on the matter but not representative of reality.

What I have seen is some people who think we should read and discuss the proposal, the pros and cons, in a serious and adult manner and others who think the proposal should be dismissed out of hand, either because it's not "traditional" or out of animosity to anything proposed by Lennart. Which camp are you in?