And people call Lannart arrogant???

Posted Nov 24, 2011 8:44 UTC (Thu) by anselm (subscriber, #2796)
In reply to: And people call Lannart arrogant??? by dlang
Parent article: That newfangled Journal thing

The difference is that Lennart's (I think you should take the trouble to spell his name correctly, the guy deserves at least that much respect) approach is backwards-compatible with syslog it is fairly trivial to gate syslog messages into »the Journal« while the Unix traditionalist approach is basically to deny innovation in the syslog space.

It is apparently acceptable to tweak the actual implementation of the syslog daemon, but it would be just as well to acknowledge that the underlying protocol sucks and could use improvement.

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And people call Lannart arrogant???

Posted Dec 1, 2011 13:02 UTC (Thu) by nye (subscriber, #51576) [Link]

>the Unix traditionalist approach is basically to deny innovation in the syslog space

That really isn't true. The people I've seen in this thread who are unhappy with journald haven't been saying that everything should stay as it is; they've been saying that evolutionary changes would be better than revolutionary changes, and providing several reasons for that which, on the face of it, seem sane.

Saying "we'd like to improve this carefully rather than starting from scratch" is a far cry from 'denying innovation'.