The year of the Linux tablet? [LWN.net]

The year of the Linux tablet?

Posted Aug 26, 2011 15:06 UTC (Fri) by smoogen (subscriber, #97)
In reply to: The year of the Linux tablet? by ebassi
Parent article: The year of the Linux tablet?

You (GNOME) might have done so, but the messaging is lost. What messaging, I constantly run into is "Making changes to how GNOME is set up by default is a detriment to the GNOME experience and should not be done."

Look at how you messaged your reply to me and realize that tone of snide, sarcastic superiority is how unwelcoming Gnome has become.

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The year of the Linux tablet?

Posted Aug 26, 2011 15:15 UTC (Fri) by rahulsundaram (subscriber, #21946) [Link] (1 responses)

I think we have been picky about responses we choose to consider (invariably negative ones apparently) and discard the really interesting and deeper choices.

It has been obvious from the start the GNOME Shell was designed to be extensible (a whole lot of extensions really, have you done a yum -C search gnome-shell-extension in Fedora 15 lately?) and the recent discussions around setting up a website to make this process easier with no restrictions beyond robustness and security should have been enough messaging but unfortunately lost in the noise. I think, GNOME developers should have been vocal to compensate and they have failed to do so as well. I hope they do better marketing (beyond just gnome3.org).

The year of the Linux tablet?

Posted Aug 26, 2011 16:02 UTC (Fri) by smoogen (subscriber, #97) [Link]

No I haven't done that search, and thank you for pointing it out. I realize that a lot of my own negativity towards starts in the beginning of the day with a

"Gnome 3 Failed to Load... This most likely means your system .. is not capable of delivering the full GNOME 3 experience."

which translate to me as "You aren't rich/good/etc enough to use this."

Which I realize is my own problem due to my self-identifying with the hardware too much. I do see that F16 doesn't remind me of this every day which is a nice change. And I see there are 37 extensions I wasn't aware of before.

The year of the Linux tablet?

Posted Aug 26, 2011 15:46 UTC (Fri) by mjg59 (subscriber, #23239) [Link]

It should not be done, but it's designed to be easy for you to do so if you choose to.

The year of the Linux tablet?

Posted Aug 29, 2011 21:03 UTC (Mon) by ebassi (subscriber, #54855) [Link] (1 responses)

You (GNOME) might have done so, but the messaging is lost. What messaging, I constantly run into is "Making changes to how GNOME is set up by default is a detriment to the GNOME experience and should not be done."

yes, it should not be done. in the same way that modding a car most of the time removes the road-worthiness of the same, and you should be aware of that. should you decide to continue, there are ways in which this not only is possible, but it's also easy to do. you pay the price of stuff potentially breaking, so there's that.

Look at how you messaged your reply to me and realize that tone of snide, sarcastic superiority is how unwelcoming Gnome has become.

wow, sarcasm: now a novelty on LWN and in an open source project. something that never happened before, and it's now unwelcoming.

oh, sorry: I again used sarcasm - targeted at somebody that never really bothered (to his own admission) to check before writing off something that I worked on.

The year of the Linux tablet?

Posted Aug 30, 2011 15:22 UTC (Tue) by smoogen (subscriber, #97) [Link]

You are over-reaching on the "never bothered to check". Never bothered would not mean I haven't tried using GNOME3 at all. I changed over my desktop and used it for 3 weeks on Fedora-15 and am using it again for Fedora-16. I have asked around for help and gotten the "Making changes to the desktop, screensaver, etc is not to be done." answers.

My issues were solved by Rahul. The systems I have run in fallback mode so I am not using mutter or seem to have any access to it. Such is life.