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OK, now that sexual harassment has been deal with, how about terrorism?

OK, now that sexual harassment has been deal with, how about terrorism?

Posted Jul 29, 2011 5:14 UTC (Fri) by clugstj (subscriber, #4020)
In reply to: OK, now that sexual harassment has been deal with, how about terrorism? by landley
Parent article: O'Reilly: Sexual Harassment at Technical Conferences: A Big No-No

Can anyone provide an actual example of "sexual harassment" that occurred at a "Linux Conference"? No, I'm not looking for names of the people involved, just the facts of what happened. All I've heard is "it happens all the time"-type comments which have way too little detail to judge the severity of the problem.


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OK, now that sexual harassment has been deal with, how about terrorism?

Posted Jul 29, 2011 5:56 UTC (Fri) by mjg59 (subscriber, #23239) [Link] (10 responses)

Absolutely! Try http://tinyurl.com/3bd28ww .

OK, now that sexual harassment has been deal with, how about terrorism?

Posted Jul 29, 2011 6:35 UTC (Fri) by dark (guest, #8483) [Link] (9 responses)

How desperately unhelpful.

OK, now that sexual harassment has been deal with, how about terrorism?

Posted Jul 29, 2011 15:25 UTC (Fri) by mjg59 (subscriber, #23239) [Link] (8 responses)

No, what's unhelpful is saying things like 'Can anyone provide an actual example of "sexual harassment" that occurred at a "Linux Conference"?' when even cursory research would demonstrate that such examples abound.

OK, now that sexual harassment has been deal with, how about terrorism?

Posted Jul 29, 2011 15:46 UTC (Fri) by dark (guest, #8483) [Link]

Simply replying "even cursory research would demonstrate that such examples abound" would have been ordinary unhelpfulness. You definitely went above and beyond by adding deceit and mockery and wasting the audience's time.

OK, now that sexual harassment has been deal with, how about terrorism?

Posted Jul 31, 2011 0:45 UTC (Sun) by clugstj (subscriber, #4020) [Link] (6 responses)

Actually, I was looking for actual facts, not a web search of people blogging about how bad the situation is. A pointer to actual first person information please.

OK, now that sexual harassment has been deal with, how about terrorism?

Posted Jul 31, 2011 0:54 UTC (Sun) by dlang (guest, #313) [Link]

I don't have any links handy, but I have seen some first-person reports.

that said, I attend a couple conferences a year and have never witnessed such behavior. (well, there was one presentation that included things that I found offensive that could have been taken as 'sexual harassment' by people who have that agenda, but I took it as bad taste on the part of the presenter, not targeted at any gender)

so while I have no doubt that it happens to some people somewhere, I don't think it's the major problem that people are making it out to be.

OK, now that sexual harassment has been deal with, how about terrorism?

Posted Jul 31, 2011 4:19 UTC (Sun) by sumanah (guest, #59891) [Link]

OK, now that sexual harassment has been deal with, how about terrorism?

Posted Jul 31, 2011 17:48 UTC (Sun) by mjg59 (subscriber, #23239) [Link] (3 responses)

People blogging about how bad the situation is and discussing real events that really occurred to real people? Seriously. Try reading some of them.

First-person reports are rare. That's for a variety of reasons, but the most notable one is that when people *have* made posts about things that actually happened to them they end up with people calling them liars or sluts, told that there's no way that anyone would want to sexually harass someone as ugly as them, told that they should be flattered by the attention, told that since the police didn't get involved there's nothing to complain about and worse. They've already been through something traumatic, so why should they invite further abuse? The internet has spoken. Naming and shaming doesn't work, it just makes things worse.

So yes, most of what you'll find ends up being anonymised or poorly cited. That doesn't make it any less real or less severe.

OK, now that sexual harassment has been deal with, how about terrorism?

Posted Jul 31, 2011 22:20 UTC (Sun) by clugstj (subscriber, #4020) [Link] (2 responses)

"So yes, most of what you'll find ends up being anonymised or poorly cited. That doesn't make it any less real or less severe."

Without actual first-person reports, why would anyone believe it really happened? Good grief, are we really at the point where we believe anything that anyone blogs about? (and by the way, I'm not saying it doesn't happen, it may well be a deplorable situation, but with the low level of integrity in the new media [except LWN, of course], I think a certain degree of skepticism is reasonable.)

OK, now that sexual harassment has been deal with, how about terrorism?

Posted Jul 31, 2011 22:56 UTC (Sun) by mjg59 (subscriber, #23239) [Link]

You're not saying it doesn't happen, you're just saying that you don't believe anyone who says that it happens? It's trivial to determine that most of the people who write about this are respected in the community for entirely unrelated reasons. Why would they start making things up?

OK, now that sexual harassment has been deal with, how about terrorism?

Posted Aug 1, 2011 15:26 UTC (Mon) by duffy (guest, #31787) [Link]

Refusing to recognize that these things happen unless you are provided all of the salacious details is insensitive at best.

Do you really fully understand the severe consequences of coming out with the details of a sexual harassment incident?

Do you not understand how such incidents might be not only frightening to talk about as it may result various forms of 'retribution' for outing the incident, but also that the details of the incident in question might be highly embarrassing and traumatic to disclose in public?

If you weren't involved, I don't think the details of such an incident are any of your business.


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