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Karen Sandler on her new role at GNOME

Karen Sandler on her new role at GNOME

Posted Jun 23, 2011 3:01 UTC (Thu) by ringerc (subscriber, #3071)
Parent article: Karen Sandler on her new role at GNOME

I was hoping this change of staff might bring some new ideas, but it seems their new staff member is already well into the ethos of the org.

"All [the changes] were made with what is best for the user in mind" reads a lot like: We're just doing what's best for you you understand, it's for your own good. There is only one class of "user", so we already understand everything we need to.

Sigh.

Bitter? Not really; I'm benefiting from the freely given work of others and have no right to bitterness or - really - even complaint. If I don't like it, I should fix it or go elsewhere. Since they won't accept changes to fix some of the things I (and some others) need, that means I must go elsewhere or fork. Maintaining a GNOME fork isn't realistic. I'm kind of stuck with "like it or lump it".

My use of GNOME is of no benefit to the GNOME project, so "threatening" to go elsewhere is meaningless and pointless. Why do people think it means something? It's not like they're a customer. I've been on the receiving end of this, and it's a mixture of annoying and laughable to have someone using the work you published for free demand that you change it to fit their needs.

I guess the powerlessness is the frustrating bit, combined with the *removal* of things that *used* to work well. I'm not permitted to fix or add things, can't hope to maintain a fork, and have no way to influence proceedings or convince anyone. So instead I get to learn how much of a step back from GNOME 2 it is to use XFCE.


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Karen Sandler on her new role at GNOME

Posted Jun 23, 2011 5:12 UTC (Thu) by nirbheek (subscriber, #54111) [Link]

> I was hoping this change of staff might bring some new ideas, but it seems their new staff member is already well into the ethos of the org.

> "All [the changes] were made with what is best for the user in mind" reads a lot like: We're just doing what's best for you you understand, it's for your own good. There is only one class of "user", so we already understand everything we need to.

You're expecting technical direction from her?

I believe the article says:

> One thing Sandler won't be doing is driving the technical direction of GNOME. Sandler says that, like Peters, she has "a limited role" in the technical direction of GNOME, and says "I'd support whatever the community and release team decided."

So, that settles that.

Karen Sandler on her new role at GNOME

Posted Jun 24, 2011 11:08 UTC (Fri) by brouhaha (subscriber, #1698) [Link]

It's been obvious for a long time that the GNOME developers don't care about their existing users. They've been dumbing it down for a long time to attract new users, without any concern about losing existing users, e.g., removing Emacs key bindings, changing to and from spatial navigation, etc. I have a hard time believing that it's a viable strategy, but who knows.

I spent a few days with GNOME 3, then moved to XFCE. It doesn't seem like that much of a step back from GNOME 2 to me. I'm much more productive with XFCE than with GNOME 3, so I don't care what the GNOME developers do from here on out. I'm not "threatening" to go elsewhere; I've gone. The GNOME developers won't care, and that's fine.

Karen Sandler on her new role at GNOME

Posted Jun 30, 2011 19:53 UTC (Thu) by Zizzle (guest, #67739) [Link]

And ironically they have alienated themselves from all the new-user friendly distros.

How do they expect to attract "Ma & Pa" users? With Fedora?

On the other hand they have alienated long time users by dropping functionality and making common tasks harder or require more clicks/mouse. Taking a hard line on annoying things like the accessibility icon not being removed from the (largely useless and wasted) panel.

Not to mention a bunch of hostile personalities representing the project here on LWN (including attacking the editors and writers).

I still follow planet.gnome.org, but not sure where I will go in the next distro cycle. Ubuntu is dropping GNOME 2. Fedora has swallowed the GNOME 3 pill.

A major set back for the Linux desktop. Hopefully XFCE is up to scratch.


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