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Karen Sandler on her new role at GNOME

Karen Sandler on her new role at GNOME

Posted Jun 22, 2011 10:55 UTC (Wed) by alexl (guest, #19068)
Parent article: Karen Sandler on her new role at GNOME

I guess the main takeaway from this article is that the author doesn't like Gnome 3.0?


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Karen Sandler on her new role at GNOME

Posted Jun 22, 2011 11:47 UTC (Wed) by ewan (subscriber, #5533) [Link]

I don't think you can get that at all; the nearest you could say is that the author recognises that a lot of previous Gnome users don't like Gnome 3, and regardless of the actual merits or otherwise of the design direction that Gnome 3 is taking, that seems undeniable.

Karen Sandler on her new role at GNOME

Posted Jun 22, 2011 12:23 UTC (Wed) by alexl (guest, #19068) [Link]

I don't deny what you are saying, but that doesn't mean you have to mention it multiple times in an article that is only peripherally related to that fact.

The fact that he repeatedly had to point this out, rather than talk about what Karen would be doing is what bugs me.

Karen Sandler on her new role at GNOME

Posted Jun 22, 2011 14:29 UTC (Wed) by dgm (subscriber, #49227) [Link]

> The fact that he repeatedly had to point this out, rather than talk about what Karen would be doing is what bugs me.

Wow. No, really. Wow. You're a bit touchy, aren't you?

The subject of GNOME 3 only appears towards the end, when discussing the context in wich Karen will be developing his duties. All in all, the article only mentions GNOME 3 in a total of 8 (eight!) paragraphs. The whole article is 27 paragraphs. It's barely a quarter of the article. Now, would you really call this "repeatedly pointing out"? Really?

Karen Sandler on her new role at GNOME

Posted Jun 23, 2011 5:05 UTC (Thu) by nirbheek (subscriber, #54111) [Link]

When someone spends months and months on a project, working more than is expected, on something that they think is really great and will make the lives of users easier; broad-sweeping assertions and dismissive remarks about how the heavens are falling because of the hard work put in, will of course lead to happy happy smiley faces on all sides.

Karen Sandler on her new role at GNOME

Posted Jun 23, 2011 14:53 UTC (Thu) by zonker (subscriber, #7867) [Link]

The amount of work notwithstanding, all of the questions I posed to Karen were based on the reality facing GNOME as she takes the job. "Happy smiley faces" are not really the objective - asking legitimate questions is. As a long-time user of GNOME, I don't see the current release as a marked improvement. As an observer of the industry, I only see one company that seems pleased with GNOME Shell -- and that's a company that doesn't express any interest in pursuing desktop Linux. The company / project that has the largest share of the Linux desktop has essentially rejected GNOME Shell and seems to be moving towards Qt.

In short - The questions were legitimate, and you can be pretty sure other reporters will ask the same things if they interview Karen.

Why should we expect softball pitches from LWN ...

Posted Jun 24, 2011 7:07 UTC (Fri) by kmself (guest, #11565) [Link]

... just because it happens to be covering your pet project.

I want to see the closets emptied and the skeletons rattled. That's what I'm paying for with my subscription, and it's the fair and unsensational airing of issues in an area of tech I care a lot about, but which falls flat in the mainstream tech media because it's "noncommercial", is a core value proposition of LWN.

I do however protest most stridently the utter lack of coverage of recent news and development for my favorite, and The One True, window manager, WindowMaker.

I mean, not just last September did Debian rebuild against libjpeg to pick up unversioned symbols in an NMU.

Future article idea

Posted Jun 26, 2011 7:27 UTC (Sun) by speedster1 (subscriber, #8143) [Link]

I nominate you to contribute an LWN article on WindowMaker! WindowMaker for the win, yes!!

:)

Future article idea

Posted Jun 26, 2011 8:09 UTC (Sun) by dlang (subscriber, #313) [Link]

well, the lack of recent coverage could be related to the lack of recent development (or at least releases)

the latest item in the news on the main page is from 2008 and the lastest release is from 2005

Future article idea

Posted Jun 26, 2011 16:46 UTC (Sun) by speedster1 (subscriber, #8143) [Link]

Well yes -- but if kmself took up my (somewhat joking) challenge and wrote up an article on windowmaker as an example of the classic windowmanager paradigm contrasted to the all-in-one desktop environments that you get with most default linux installs... it could get published here.

No fair challenging me to do it myself; comments are about as much writing as I can stand. I squeaked through grad school with an impressively short list of papers ;^)

Karen Sandler on her new role at GNOME

Posted Jun 24, 2011 9:07 UTC (Fri) by jschrod (subscriber, #1646) [Link]

I guess the main takeaway from your comment is that Zonker states facts and that you don't like the facts?

To make it clear what I mean: Zonker states (a) that the GNOME user community is not unanimously rallied behind GNOME 3 design decisions, in particular concerning the GNOME shell, quite the contrary; and (b) that the Linux desktop doesn't take traction beyond its current audience. Writing as somebody who's interested in current Linux desktop developments, these observations seems spot on.

FWIW, a disclaimer: I don't use GNOME at all, neither GNOME 2 nor GNOME 3. So please don't pin the label "doesn't like change" on me.


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