Google patent loss: no guilt

Posted May 11, 2011 13:51 UTC (Wed) by robbe (guest, #16131)
In reply to: Google patent loss: no guilt by giraffedata
Parent article: A victory for the trolls

Amazingly, in German the same word is used for "being guilty" and "owing something". Maybe its the same in colloquial English, as opposed to technical legalese?

"debt to society" comes to mind. Historically criminal guilt and civil debt seem to be closely linked.

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Google patent loss: no guilt

Posted May 11, 2011 16:34 UTC (Wed) by giraffedata (guest, #1954) [Link] (4 responses)

Amazingly, in German the same word is used for "being guilty" and "owing something".

Yes, that's pretty amazing. What is the word?

English "guilt" comes from the Old English "gylt", meaning crime. Old English is related closely enough to German that I would expect there to be a similar word in German.

In decades of living in the US, I have never heard "guilty" used to refer to owing money except in the case where the debt was decided by a court, and then it's obviously due to confusion with criminal trials where losing the case = being guilty.

Or if there's some reason it's wrong to be in debt, like when someone says, "I feel guilty because I used my credit card to buy a new TV after I promised my wife we would stop spending more than we earn."

"Debt to society" is a strange metaphor that's supposed to explain how someone can redeem his guilt by suffering a punishment, but I don't think anybody really thinks of being guilty of a crime as a debt. It's not like the judge says, "I find that you owe us 3 years in jail" or that people think it's acceptable to rob a liquor store as long as you give the money back and do the time in jail.

Google patent loss: no guilt

Posted May 11, 2011 18:20 UTC (Wed) by Trelane (subscriber, #56877) [Link] (3 responses)

"Schuld" as a noun is "debt" in English. "Schuldig" as an adjective is "guilty."

Google patent loss: no guilt

Posted May 11, 2011 18:26 UTC (Wed) by Trelane (subscriber, #56877) [Link]

"schuldig" can also mean to owe something to someone, particularly e.g. "er ist Dir was schuldig" ("He owes you something.")

Google patent loss: no guilt

Posted May 11, 2011 19:03 UTC (Wed) by giraffedata (guest, #1954) [Link] (1 responses)

Is "schuldig" just for the verdict of a criminal trial, or also for the emotion? I.e. if you're supposed to be on a diet and you give in to your craving and eat a whole cheesecake, do you feel schuldig?

I remember now that another term used in legal circles for what a criminal court decides is "liability," as in, "the accused is criminally liable." "Liable" is the same word to refer to simply owing someone money, guilt-free.

Google patent loss: no guilt

Posted May 12, 2011 11:44 UTC (Thu) by paulj (subscriber, #341) [Link]

As a (somewhat lapsed) dutch speaker, "liability" to me is the more accurate base meaning for "schuld", leading to expanded meanings of "debt", "blame" and "guilt" in different contexts. In dutch you can indeed feel "schuldig".