Yes, solution is underway...

Posted Apr 25, 2011 22:40 UTC (Mon) by khim (subscriber, #9252)
In reply to: A victory for the trolls by shapr
Parent article: A victory for the trolls

Yup. It's not even hard, really - in fact the process is well underway. Move the software development to countries like China where software patents are largely ignored and only buy patents from other companies for the products which must be exported to US.

Of course it's hard problem (you should first make sure US is forbidden from just printing money) but it goes along quite well. If nothing changes then I think in about 15-20 years time software development in US will be history and software patents will not bother anyone.

Of course there are small probability that US congress will see the forest for the trees, but the probability is small indeed: while patents are crippling for the industry then are actually beneficent for individual companies.

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Yes, solution is underway...

Posted Apr 25, 2011 23:14 UTC (Mon) by butlerm (subscriber, #13312) [Link] (1 responses)

while patents are crippling for the industry [they] are actually beneficent for individual companies.

It is sad that such arguments carry sway. One might equally say while crime is crippling for society, theft is beneficial for actual thieves.

Yes, solution is underway...

Posted Apr 26, 2011 0:20 UTC (Tue) by Trelane (subscriber, #56877) [Link]

It's not the argument but the campaign contributions.

China has lots of software patents, too

Posted Apr 26, 2011 4:50 UTC (Tue) by FlorianMueller (guest, #32048) [Link]

Software patents are not at all ignored in China. The only major emerging market in which there are relatively few of them is India.

Yes, solution is underway...

Posted Apr 29, 2011 4:00 UTC (Fri) by jtc (guest, #6246) [Link] (1 responses)

"while patents are crippling for the industry then are actually beneficent for individual companies."

I'm not convinced that this is true overall. If you weight the benefits vs. the drawbacks with respect to the patent system for each company, where the result is > 0 if there are more benefits than drawbacks and < 0 if more drawbacks, and then you average this value out for each company, will you get a positive or a negative value? I suspect the odds are good that it will be negative, or positive but so close to 0 as to not make much difference.

If that's so and if you then add the obvious negative consequences to FOSS developers and users, I think you could have a strong argument that software patents, like legalized slavery, are detrimental to society and should be abolished. (Yes, the degree is less than that of slavery, but the harm may still be demonstrable.)

Well, it's more complex...

Posted Apr 29, 2011 9:06 UTC (Fri) by khim (subscriber, #9252) [Link]

If you weight the benefits vs. the drawbacks with respect to the patent system for each company, where the result is > 0 if there are more benefits than drawbacks and < 0 if more drawbacks, and then you average this value out for each company, will you get a positive or a negative value?

Of course it's negative! But it does not matter one jot. You see: patents are net negative and long copyright extensions are net negative (because they stimulate ever-increased harassment of "copyright violators" by authors who did nothing interesting in last 10-20-30 years and not creation of new interesting works) but they are net positive for the people who can actually pay for congressmen campaigns!

If that's so and if you then add the obvious negative consequences to FOSS developers and users, I think you could have a strong argument that software patents, like legalized slavery, are detrimental to society and should be abolished.

You have an argument, but you have noone to even voice it, let alone fight for it. If you are small startup then usually you don't have money and time to fight patents. Most startups fail (and it'll be true with or without patents), but some survive and grow large and rich. At that stage they have both money and power to fight patents - but why should they? Patents are net positive for large behemots.

Slavery was abolished not because it was "morally right to do", but because there was powerful lobby which wanted to abolish it. Industrial North needed consumers - and slaves are poor consumers. It was "morally wrong" for centuries, but it was only abolished when powerful interests needed to abolish it.

I don't see powerful forces which need to abolish patents today so even if it's net drag on the economy they'll remain and they'll straighten over time.