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Slackware 13.37: Linux for the fun of it

Slackware 13.37: Linux for the fun of it

Posted Mar 27, 2011 21:18 UTC (Sun) by dsimic (subscriber, #72007)
In reply to: Slackware 13.37: Linux for the fun of it by tonyblackwell
Parent article: Slackware 13.37: Linux for the fun of it

Got involved with Linux back in 1997 or so, with Slackware 3.6 -- and happily used Slackware exclusively until 2007 or so. Back at that time hardware evolved to 64-bit CPUs and Slackware lacked official support, so unfortunately got myself migrated to CentOS while doing hardware upgrades -- and I really miss the simplicity of Slackware. There -- man is a man, and startup script is a startup script. No lemons.

I'm looking at Ubuntu from time to time, just to see what's happening in softy-and-user-friendly-land -- well, what a thing they turned Linux into... I don't see the purpose of making Linux to be second Windows -- if you want that, go and shell out $200 or whatever Windows 7 costs, and enjoy it, you'll get the *real* user-friendly thing.

What's the purpose of having install-it-in-10-minutes-and-understand-nothing Ubuntu, with brain-dead audience using it just to browse pictures or login into Facebook and leave more meaningless stuff around? I'm not saying that we all should still be using DIP switches to configure expansion card IRQ usage, but what's the point in making Linux second Windows?


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Slackware 13.37: Linux for the fun of it

Posted Mar 28, 2011 7:51 UTC (Mon) by mbar (guest, #73813) [Link]

"What's the purpose of having install-it-in-10-minutes-and-understand-nothing Ubuntu, with brain-dead audience using it just to browse pictures or login into Facebook and leave more meaningless stuff around?"

And what's wrong with that and on top of that still having $200 or whatever in the wallet?

Slackware 13.37: Linux for the fun of it

Posted Mar 28, 2011 13:02 UTC (Mon) by aclucas (subscriber, #1615) [Link]

Agree there, got to be better that, than paying a company who'd continue to subvert the world to paying them for every new computer they buy.

Slackware 13.37: Linux for the fun of it

Posted Mar 31, 2011 18:17 UTC (Thu) by sumanah (subscriber, #59891) [Link]

Easy-to-install and easy-to-use free operating systems give people tools to make their lives easier. It is legitimate to contribute things to the world other than code and to focus one's energy on understanding things other than code.

(And, anecdotally, nontechnical users I know find Ubuntu easier to use than Windows. So it's not just cheaper, it's better.)

Slackware 13.37: Linux for the fun of it

Posted Apr 3, 2011 1:13 UTC (Sun) by dsimic (subscriber, #72007) [Link]

Well, that makes sense from another standpoint. ;) You're right that it's perfectly Ok to do other things than coding and such, but with Ubuntu you get people amazed by colorful things and distracted from the hard way of learning what's actually happening under the bonnet. And you get another "mutation" of M$ Windows in the town.

Similar status applies to M$ Windows itself -- there are very few people knowing what's happening under the bonnet, as it's much more fun to poke images and watch videos, than to dvelve into MFC / DCOM or whatever, or to type in a console or vi. I'd say similar will happen with newcomers into Linux which opt for Ubuntu or similar "brain-dead" distros, as nobody will start picking to do more complicated things.

As with Slackware in old days, you *had* to know what's under the bonnet just to bring up a PPP connection. So if anybody wanted to do anything, he had to learn a lot. Nowadays all the colorful stuff is simply de-motivating learning -- I can bet that less than 1% of Ubuntu users know what the heck is iptables, for example.

But again, I might be wrong. Probably I just need to watch more YouTube videos. ;)


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