The Grumpy Editor's GNOME 3 experience [LWN.net]

The Grumpy Editor's GNOME 3 experience

Posted Mar 17, 2011 7:54 UTC (Thu) by rahulsundaram (subscriber, #21946)
In reply to: The Grumpy Editor's GNOME 3 experience by paulj
Parent article: The Grumpy Editor's GNOME 3 experience

Metacity and GNOME Panel is offered as an alternative and is called fallback mode. It should serve the purpose or people can just choose not to upgrade for a while. Xfce can mimic GNOME 2.x really well as well.

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Posted Mar 17, 2011 9:11 UTC (Thu) by paulj (subscriber, #341) [Link] (3 responses)

That'd be nice, but my understanding from GNOME bug reports is that gnome-panel in GNOME3 has been stripped down to provide close to the same UI as the top-panel in GNOME shell. Also, fallback doesn't reinstate nautilus' ability to draw icons on the desktop.

https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=631553
https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=643951

It appears to be wrong and/or disingenuous to claim fallback mode offers anything like the existing GNOME 2.x desktop.

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Posted Mar 17, 2011 9:44 UTC (Thu) by rahulsundaram (subscriber, #21946) [Link] (2 responses)

Notice, I never made that claim. So why bother implying that I did? That is really disingenuous and wrong. If fallback mode doesn't meet your requirements and If you must insist on the GNOME 2.x experience, stick to it or try Xfce as I explicitly suggested.

http://mso-chronicles.blogspot.com/2011/03/make-xfce-rock...

The Grumpy Editor's GNOME 3 experience

Posted Mar 17, 2011 10:03 UTC (Thu) by paulj (subscriber, #341) [Link] (1 responses)

Your comment was made in reply to one of mine, which was talking about overlap of old and new in UIs. I, not entirely unreasonably, interpreted your reply in its prior context.

E.g. I said users had no alternative other than a .0 UI (as you point out, there's obviously also the the null choice of not upgrading, but Linux desktop software is now so intertwined these days that that choice comes with many side-effects in having to forego feature and even bug fixes - and potentially lose all bug-fix updates within a year). In that context you replied that fallback mode was an alternative - but, as I pointed out in reply, it *also* is a .0 UI - and a deliberately emasculated one at that. So that's not an alternative beyond the condition I stated.

If you meant me to understand something else, you'll have to add more information so as sufficiently the change the context stack. And I apologise for misunderstanding you in that case.

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Posted Mar 17, 2011 10:12 UTC (Thu) by rahulsundaram (subscriber, #21946) [Link]

"but, as I pointed out in reply, it *also* is a .0 UI"

I can see why would you think that but have you actually used it? It is different from GNOME Shell UI in many many ways and although it has been changed to not be entirely different recently, the user experience cannot be called a .0 UI really. It is definitely a alternative among many that I have suggested earlier.