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Posted Dec 3, 2010 5:12 UTC (Fri) by njs (guest, #40338)
In reply to: quantitative by dlang
Parent article: The dark side of open source conferences

> the way the article is written (and the way people are understanding it, based on some of the comments here), it sounds as if this is a problem caused by the FOSS community.

But, it is obviously a problem caused by the FOSS community. As in, each of the problems described was caused by someone who was in the FOSS community. I hope other communities also try to clean up their act, but whether they do or not is irrelevant to those numbers -- we can and should do better than a 33% harassment rate, and the only way that's going to happen is if we take action.


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Posted Dec 3, 2010 6:57 UTC (Fri) by dlang (subscriber, #313) [Link]

no, it is a problem that is part of the tech community that FOSS is a part of.

that's very different from saying that FOSS (or the FOSS community) is the cause of the problem.

we can and should work to reduce the problem, but we should not make it sound as if it is far more dangerous to go to a FOSS event than other similar events that don't involve FOSS.

I am not excusing the behavior, but the fact is that when you get several hundred to a few thousand people togeather for just about any event, the small number of bad apples out there can cause problems

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Posted Dec 3, 2010 17:07 UTC (Fri) by njs (guest, #40338) [Link]

So I get you're really worried that someone might judge the FOSS community poorly over this or something, and that would be horrible and unfair because *relatively* it isn't doing so bad. Sure, okay, women need to be aware that any tech event they go to is potentially dangerous.

(There is still that nagging question of why women are 20x more common in commercial software development than in FOSS, but from what I understand about that I'm willing to believe that it's online harassment rather than in-person harassment that's driving them away.)

But instead of worrying about who might judge who, and worrying about whether we'll look bad, I'd rather worry about how we can actually make things better -- in particular at FOSS events, since their organizers are reading this thread and other event organizers aren't. That's the point of this article.

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Posted Dec 5, 2010 0:09 UTC (Sun) by maco (guest, #53641) [Link]

I suspect the "very tiny numbers of women" thing is a big part of the problem. The group of tech cons I counted up that weren't FOSS ones were *all* security ones..which have even tinier numbers of women.


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