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The dark side of open source conferences

The dark side of open source conferences

Posted Dec 2, 2010 6:40 UTC (Thu) by cjl7 (guest, #26116)
Parent article: The dark side of open source conferences

Hmm, this is unfortunately a flaw in the matrix... (sorry, I couldn't help it)

To make things clear, I do not condone harassment in any way shape or form! But policies or rules aren't going to solve the problem!

In the US they have death penalty for murder and other crimes and other countries (like Sweden, where I'm from) obviously got strict laws against such behaviour. Still people murder, rape and do all of the nasty stuff with little or no regard to laws. Another example would be traffic, people speed all the time even if they know that they might get caught.

Sure, you can put them in jail, but it won't stop people from doing it.

The only way to change bad behaviour is for the environment to act and correct it at once! Peer pressure is the best way! IMO

I have a little girl (4 years old) and I hope that the people in the world will value women as peers and not as a lower level citizen. But it sucks that "civilised" countries still have this problem! Some men are stuck in cave-man mode (especially when alcohol is involved).

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The dark side of open source conferences

Posted Dec 2, 2010 11:22 UTC (Thu) by modernjazz (guest, #4185) [Link]

Ummm...can you clearly spell out the difference between jail and peer pressure for me? All solutions to social problems are, well, social in nature. It's just that jail is a more serious, systematic, long-term form of peer pressure. You're ostracizing the person over a period of months or years rather than over a period of hours or days, and you don't have to spend a lot of time making sure that everyone is "in on it."

I agree that jail has plenty of issues (certainly it does in the US, anyway) and doesn't entirely cure the problem, but neither will any other single measure you propose. Our only option is to combine techniques, preferably targeted appropriately to the seriousness of the offense. Policies and rules are one way to try to make things fair (because everyone can see the rules for themselves), rather than letting justice become arbitrary, anecdotal, incomplete, and inconsistent.

The dark side of open source conferences

Posted Dec 2, 2010 16:33 UTC (Thu) by cjl7 (guest, #26116) [Link]

The point I tried to make about prison and peer pressure is that laws give you the ability to put people in prison, it doesn't change the behaviour. (well it might sometimes I guess)

Saying that, peer pressure is no certain method to actually change peoples attitude either...

And changing the attitude might be the single most difficult thing in history, otherwise this wouldn't be an issue in countries with healthy values (I know, it's very subjective). Obviously I have no simple solution to this problem and didn't mean to suggest that such a thing exists.

Anything and everything that helps is welcomed by me!

Peer pressure

Posted Dec 2, 2010 14:10 UTC (Thu) by corbet (editor, #1) [Link]

A clearly-worded policy saying that certain kinds of behavior are not welcome at an event seems like a fairly clear form of peer pressure, no? Especially if it motivates others to say something when they see inappropriate behavior happening.

Peer pressure

Posted Dec 2, 2010 16:45 UTC (Thu) by cjl7 (guest, #26116) [Link]

I agree, stating what's acceptable is a good thing. But for the policy to be effective we (the attendees) need to enforce the policy as well when and if we see such inappropriate behaviour. Otherwise the policy would be worthless, no?

And I firmly believe we should be able to protest against such behaviour with or without formal policies, because we all know it's wrong!

The dark side of open source conferences

Posted Dec 2, 2010 18:21 UTC (Thu) by rgmoore (✭ supporter ✭, #75) [Link]

Still people murder, rape and do all of the nasty stuff with little or no regard to laws.
How do you think people would behave if we didn't have laws against murder and rape? It's a safe bet they'd behave worse than they do now. Laws and codes of conduct are an imperfect solution to misbehavior, but they're far better than giving up and doing nothing.

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