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I don't get it

I don't get it

Posted Dec 1, 2010 22:09 UTC (Wed) by mjg59 (subscriber, #23239)
In reply to: I don't get it by jackb
Parent article: The dark side of open source conferences

Arrests that will involve witness statements, testimony and potentially having to turn up to court where a defence lawyer will then proceed to spend time attempting to convince people that you're a liar? I don't blame anyone who's unwilling to go through with that, and we shouldn't attempt to place the onus of fixing things on the victim.


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I don't get it

Posted Dec 1, 2010 22:15 UTC (Wed) by jackb (guest, #41909) [Link]

Putting the onus of reporting a crime on the victim of said crime is too much to ask yet demanding that the rest of society bend over backwards to bubblewrap the world isn't?

I don't get it

Posted Dec 1, 2010 22:21 UTC (Wed) by chromatic (guest, #26207) [Link]

How is publishing a code of conduct (which basically says "Treat other people with respect!") a demand in any way, let alone an unreasonable demand? Why should the penalty for behaving badly to anyone else require filing criminal charges? (I can think of many examples of poor behavior which are not illegal.)

I don't get it

Posted Dec 3, 2010 4:50 UTC (Fri) by jzbiciak (subscriber, #5246) [Link]

Agreed. One would hope such a code of conduct would also be redundant/unnecessary, but clearly folks need to be reminded. Also, making it explicit sends a more positive overall message, so long as the organizers also make sure to uphold it so that it gets taken seriously.

I don't get it

Posted Dec 1, 2010 22:23 UTC (Wed) by mjg59 (subscriber, #23239) [Link]

I don't object to it being the victim's responsibility to report the crime. If they're unwilling (for whatever reason) to do so then the justice system won't be involved. That's not a problem. But when you say that "the correct answer is for the affected individual to call the police on the spot and file criminal charges", the implication is that it's the victim's problem, not the conference's. That's not a constructive way to improve things.

I don't get it

Posted Dec 2, 2010 16:52 UTC (Thu) by sorpigal (subscriber, #36106) [Link]

So have the victim report it to the conference organizers and have them call the cops.

I don't get it

Posted Dec 2, 2010 16:59 UTC (Thu) by mjg59 (subscriber, #23239) [Link]

"I'd like to report a crime. The victim doesn't want to be involved in the case and there were no other witnesses, but we'd like you to arrest the offender anyway. Hello? Hello?"

I don't get it

Posted Dec 1, 2010 22:42 UTC (Wed) by bfields (subscriber, #19510) [Link]

I would've thought that the world-bubblewrapper would be anyone objecting to (mostly relatively minor) consequences for any behavior that manages to fall short of the obviously criminal. Criminal prosecutation rightly requires a high standard of procedure, but that doesn't mean the same standard is required before you can, say, asking someone to stop being a jerk, or even to leave your meeting.

I don't get it

Posted Dec 1, 2010 23:00 UTC (Wed) by james_w (guest, #51167) [Link]

"demanding that the rest of society bend over backwards to bubblewrap the world"

No, just asking them not to assault or harass attendees.

If that's not a reasonable request to make then it's not a conference that I want to attend.

James

I don't get it

Posted Dec 8, 2010 8:11 UTC (Wed) by k8to (subscriber, #15413) [Link]

Writing down community standards is a useful thing!


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