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Gould: Oracle to Red Hat: It's Not Your Father's Linux Market Anymore

Gould: Oracle to Red Hat: It's Not Your Father's Linux Market Anymore

Posted Oct 19, 2010 22:50 UTC (Tue) by martinfick (subscriber, #4455)
In reply to: Gould: Oracle to Red Hat: It's Not Your Father's Linux Market Anymore by ITAnalyst
Parent article: Gould: Oracle to Red Hat: It's Not Your Father's Linux Market Anymore

Wow, you really know how to attack a whole group of people without knowing much about them. If you believe that you have used the word proprietary in a common way, could you please give some reference to back that up. Webster does not seem to hint at any definition of the kind that you claim. Here are their two definitions that might apply to software:

1 : one that possesses, owns, or holds exclusive right to something; specifically : proprietor 1

2 : something that is used, produced, or marketed under exclusive legal right of the inventor or maker; specifically : a drug (as a patent medicine) that is protected by secrecy, patent, or copyright against free competition as to name, product, composition, or process of manufacture

Now, you can use the word proprietary anyway you want, but if your unusual definition of the word is the "main point of your article", than why are you so upset with people here for thinking that you sound like a "shill", or that you are spreading propaganda? Proprietary has a very specific meaning in the software world and you are clearly distorting that meaning in your defense, and yet your are also clearly using the term in the common way to evoke emotional responses.

No I am not going say that we are saints here at LWN, but I think that you will find that we have high standards for the articles which we expect to be linked to from here. Maybe you are not used to this? And perhaps the name calling against you was not called for, but at least it had a point and was related to the perceived criticism of your article. You, however have elevated the name calling to a level which is way beyond what most of us expect here. Perhaps you need a thicker skin to be a reporter, because while the readers here may have poignant attacks, they are rather milder than the general public who might have just called you an "idiot" as you so aptly did here.

To be honest, I think we all expected more professionalism of you, if that is the sort of comment response that you think will make LWN readers more respectful of your articles, it has likely failed miserably.


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Gould: Oracle to Red Hat: It's Not Your Father's Linux Market Anymore

Posted Oct 20, 2010 11:41 UTC (Wed) by nix (subscriber, #2304) [Link] (1 responses)

To be honest, that meaning of 'proprietary' is a common one among 'business leaders', marketers, and similar bottom-feeders. They seem to use it to mean, vaguely, 'somehow better because we have magic brilliant people that nobody else has'. It's plain how this is related to the dictionary definition: it's also plain that it's pretty much entirely useless unless you're trying to market something to a group of people who think that 'proprietary' is in some way a good thing.

Gould: Oracle to Red Hat: It's Not Your Father's Linux Market Anymore

Posted Oct 24, 2010 1:29 UTC (Sun) by zotz (guest, #26117) [Link]

Indeed...

Dirty Words begins:

"Hey advertisers. You want to sell me something? Well, I know you think when you use words like "proprietary" and "patented" or "patent pending" that it will enhance the image of what you are selling and make it seem more desirable to me. That such words will make me want your goods more and make me want to buy them but I have a little secret for you."

all the best,

drew

Gould: Oracle to Red Hat: It's Not Your Father's Linux Market Anymore

Posted Oct 21, 2010 20:14 UTC (Thu) by Wol (subscriber, #4433) [Link] (1 responses)

"1 : one that possesses, owns, or holds exclusive right to something; specifically : proprietor"

An accurate description of copyright. Linux is copyrighted, therefor linux is proprietary.

Same for Red Hat :-)

Cheers,
Wol

Gould: Oracle to Red Hat: It's Not Your Father's Linux Market Anymore

Posted Oct 21, 2010 20:27 UTC (Thu) by martinfick (subscriber, #4455) [Link]

While I know your post was likely meant to be humorous, you are forgetting about the effect of the GPL which effectively makes it no longer an exclusive right, and hence not proprietary despite being copyrighted.

I may own a thing at first, but if I donate it to the public, I no longer own it. Free/Libre software has been donated to the public. In the X/BSD copyright case, it primarily serves to remove liability from the donor. The copyright in the GPL case additionally serves to ensure that it stays public and is not homesteaded. In neither case does the copyright serve to retain exclusive right to the software.


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