Meaningful vs. meaningless support from businesses

Posted Sep 30, 2010 12:58 UTC (Thu) by pboddie (guest, #50784)
In reply to: Meaningful vs. meaningless support from businesses by FlorianMueller
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If you let China copy any medications researched in the West, it will be cheaper but at some point there will be no more research. That's what intellectual property rights are for, and China has software patents by the way.

I can't let this one go. What you're saying is that no-one would be bothered any more to develop medicines to prevent/treat/cure diseases that in many situations would take people's lives and in many others would noticeably diminish the quality of people's lives. I think you need to stop reducing everything to a single dimension with the label "revenue" attached.

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Meaningful vs. meaningless support from businesses

Posted Sep 30, 2010 13:07 UTC (Thu) by FlorianMueller (guest, #32048) [Link] (4 responses)

I firmly believe that patents are needed for the pharmaceutical industry. One can be against software patents and still in favor of pharma patents because those industries have very different characteristics. Most of the arguments used against software patents wouldn't work against pharma patents. In the event you are against pharma patents, you're entitled to your opinion but you won't convince any political decision-making body anywhere in the civilized free world that pharma patents should go away. The alternative would be state-run research aka the most radical form of communism.

Meaningful vs. meaningless support from businesses

Posted Sep 30, 2010 15:04 UTC (Thu) by jbh (guest, #494) [Link] (1 responses)

> state-run research aka the most radical form of communism.

I don't know what to say. This is just silly.

Meaningful vs. meaningless support from businesses

Posted Oct 3, 2010 23:12 UTC (Sun) by Wol (subscriber, #4433) [Link]

aol!

Florian needs to take a look at reality. Most NEW treatments (as opposed to reruns of old drugs) ARE state-funded. They have a habit of coming out of University research.

The other big problem is that most big-pharma research is aimed at the self-inflicted illnesses of affluence. It's widely known that most of the killer diseases of the poor are simply ignored. Unless, of course, they have a habit of causing the poor old western tourist some discomfort ... malaria for example.

Cheers,
Wol

Meaningful vs. meaningless support from businesses

Posted Sep 30, 2010 15:57 UTC (Thu) by pboddie (guest, #50784) [Link] (1 responses)

In the event you are against pharma patents, you're entitled to your opinion but you won't convince any political decision-making body anywhere in the civilized free world that pharma patents should go away.

You haven't heard my argument, so how would you know that it wouldn't convince anybody unless you believe that either no argument is sufficient for the abolition or curtailment of pharmaceutical and life science patents or that everyone who needs to be convinced is already thoroughly and irreversibly corrupted by the idea that the availability of medicines must be driven on a purely profit-oriented basis?

The alternative would be state-run research aka the most radical form of communism.

Because, after all, states have absolutely no interest in funding research into keeping their citizens healthy/alive? Even the US government spends considerable amounts of money on medical research (from which corporations have benefited hugely), so maybe a reanimation of Senator McCarthy is necessary to combat this "form of communism". If nothing else, it would at least provide this discussion with a participant who might share your enthusiasm for such alarmist and unfounded rhetoric.

Meaningful vs. meaningless support from businesses

Posted Sep 30, 2010 16:06 UTC (Thu) by FlorianMueller (guest, #32048) [Link]

The thing I said about "state-run research" didn't relate to a certain amount of government-funded research, which obviously takes place everywhere in the capitalist world, but to replacing the entire private research sector with state-run research.

In terms of your argument that I haven't heard, I was cautious enough to say "[i]n the event" up front. I still don't see an argument that pharma doesn't need patents, and if I saw one some other time, we might slip off topic at some point.

I used generic drugs as an example. The companies providing them do very limited R&D. It's nice for consumers if their perspective is shortsighted; but they also want the next generation of drugs to be researched and those investing in that research (plus those taking the risk of original market introduction) must be incentivized and protected. That was the perspective. I'd be very interested in analogies from other industries. That would be more useful than a debate on the validity of pharma patents (I don't see any parliament in the industrialized world even talking about the possibility of abolishing those patents).