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Confusing MPEG and MPEG-LA

Confusing MPEG and MPEG-LA

Posted May 26, 2010 4:48 UTC (Wed) by drag (subscriber, #31333)
In reply to: Confusing MPEG and MPEG-LA by rahvin
Parent article: Swift and predictable reactions to WebM

> Personally I wouldn't be surprised if MPEG-LA paid him money to write the article.

Attempting to destroying or damage a messenger's reputation because he expressed a message you did not like is a very very lousy way to improve the quality of a video codec.


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Confusing MPEG and MPEG-LA

Posted May 26, 2010 10:22 UTC (Wed) by bawjaws (guest, #56952) [Link]

A related quote on damaging reputations from Dark Shikari:

"Xiph [is disliked because of] the methods that Xiph uses to market their bad technology. They have at times posted outright lies about their software and then, once proven wrong, often refuse to recant. Example: the Theora vs x264 PSNR comparison where they "accidentally" performed measurement wrong, making x264 appear 2x worse.

They use the same techniques as many of the more evil commercial companies out there, which annoys the hell out of people who disagree with such techniques. ffmpeg devs believe that open source should be about honesty and good technology, not lies and FUD. Xiph disagrees, believing that "the ends justify the means", creating a practically unbridgeable gulf.

Thus Xiph has spent the last few years spreading absurd amounts of FUD about everyone who they believe opposes them."

from here: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1164764

It appears the shoe is on the other foot now that the discussion has moved from quality to patents and his own project looks to come off worst. He's posted minor updates to his piece about certain patent areas he commented on, but his conclusions still stand uncorrected and I think you'll find his words quoted all across the internet on the patent situation with regards to VP8, something which he clearly isn't an expert on.

Confusing MPEG and MPEG-LA

Posted May 26, 2010 17:25 UTC (Wed) by gmaxwell (guest, #30048) [Link]

I'm pretty sure that Jason would no longer stand by that statement-- he was simply blowing off steam there. I think that we have a good working relationship with him. It's a bit unfortunate that every comment one of makes on an obscure forum or mailing list will forever be quoted as some kind of official statement.

The comparison he did with VP8 wasn't unfair but it is important to understand it for what it is: A comparison between something very mature and well developed with something very new and raw. Even given that VP8 did reasonably well- it was quite competitive with x264's baseline profile encode.


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