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Canonical Goes It Alone with Unity

Canonical Goes It Alone with Unity

Posted May 23, 2010 1:46 UTC (Sun) by rahulsundaram (subscriber, #21946)
In reply to: Canonical Goes It Alone with Unity by dlang
Parent article: Canonical Goes It Alone with Unity

Interesting claims but would be more credible with some references to specific features. Even more useful if you could show that the cause was not the development model.


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Canonical Goes It Alone with Unity

Posted May 23, 2010 2:05 UTC (Sun) by dlang (subscriber, #313) [Link]

anyone who tried to use Oracle in the early days of their 'linux' support will remember how it only would run on RedHat. I didn't pursue it far enough to figure out exactly which feature they depended on, but it was known at the time that it was a kernel issue, you couldn't replace the stock RedHat kernel with a vanilla kernel without applying redhat patches to it and have it work.

the new 2.6 development model was created specifically to address these sorts of problems.

I'm not saying that when RedHat implemented a feature they did so to deliberately lock users in to their flavor of Linux, but when the upstream developers went a different direction and didn't accept what they had already shipped to customers (and had companies like Oracle depend on) that's the effect that it had.

Canonical Goes It Alone with Unity

Posted May 23, 2010 3:12 UTC (Sun) by rahulsundaram (subscriber, #21946) [Link]

What you are saying now doesn't require a non-upstreamed kernel feature and since you didn't point out any specific feature, I don't think that was the cause. Red Hat upstreamed and backported several features from 2.5 series and maybe Oracle was depending on one of them. Since you aren't claiming that Red Hat was deliberating hoarding patches, it throws out the idea of competition having any effect. If you could show any case where upstream went in a different direction and that causing ISV's to depend on Red Hat specific features, I would be very interested to hear about that. In my understanding, there is no such case. If there was a pattern of such behavior, it should be trivial to point out a few of them.

Examples

Posted May 23, 2010 15:26 UTC (Sun) by corbet (editor, #1) [Link]

TUX is a clear example of a kernel feature shipped by Red Hat which was never upstreamed - or even attempted to upstream. I also had fun in the first revision of the driver book because there were RH-specific API features in their kernel.

Whether competition has anything to do with any perceived changes is not clear to me, though. I suspect it has more to do with both the company and the communities it works in growing up.

Examples

Posted May 24, 2010 18:30 UTC (Mon) by foom (subscriber, #14868) [Link]

A personal anecdote:

RH's non-upstreamed tux patches caused me pain recently(ish). Turns out TUX added a flag to the open syscall named O_ATOMICOPEN. It used the next available O_ flag value after those used in upstream kernels. That flag was not upstreamed. Upstream then added a flag to open called O_CLOEXEC. They (of course) also used hte next available flag value.

So, new binaries which attempted to use O_CLOEXEC (even when they attempted to test for its existence before using it) would fail badly when it returned some completely unexpected random error value...

https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=313681


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