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MeeGo: the merger of Maemo and Moblin

MeeGo: the merger of Maemo and Moblin

Posted Feb 17, 2010 0:25 UTC (Wed) by mbanck (subscriber, #9035)
In reply to: MeeGo: the merger of Maemo and Moblin by drag
Parent article: MeeGo: the merger of Maemo and Moblin

Note that the Meego people (mostly Dirk Hohndel and Arjen van de Ven) insisted that meego
was its own distribution and not Fedora-derived at all.

They are apparently using OBS (Open Build System) for autobuilding, packaging and patching.


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MeeGo: the merger of Maemo and Moblin

Posted Feb 17, 2010 1:00 UTC (Wed) by drag (subscriber, #31333) [Link]

That sucks. Somebody needs to slap them.

They are not building a OS for a specific product so that approach is self-defeating.

Off all the things the world needs.. it is NOT another Linux distribution.

MeeGo: the merger of Maemo and Moblin

Posted Feb 17, 2010 3:35 UTC (Wed) by xanni (subscriber, #361) [Link]

"NOT another Linux distribution."

Why not?

MeeGo: the merger of Maemo and Moblin

Posted Feb 17, 2010 13:47 UTC (Wed) by drag (subscriber, #31333) [Link]

Because it's a huge waste of f*king time and resources, that's why.

They need to ask themselves:
What is the entire point behind MeeGo?

Is it to provide a compelling user experience with a slick UI, high quality mobile applications along with a solid set of application APIs along with a set of high quality development tools?

If that is the goal then why the hell are you going to spend your time screwing around with Udev rules, GCC patches, Glibc configurations, custom packages, kernel configurations, just a nother half-assed shitty OS installer and crap like that?

Waste of f-ing time and effort. Instead of concentrating on what is important your off screwing around with the same boring, error prone, tired crap that has been done over and over and over and over again. Dull and repetitive and it'll drive all your potential users and contributers away because nobody wants to deal with that crap. IT IS ALREADY DONE.

I mean Fedora and Ubuntu already have Moblin OSes out there. They are compliant, have the user land, follow the specifications. It's FINISHED. Already f-ing done.

So what MeeGo needs to do is work on the stuff people care about. They need to port over the Maemo 6 development environment and UI. They could be doing that TODAY. Get it running on Fedora or Ubuntu as quickly as possible and let users and application developers start doing what they do best... which does NOT include giving a shit about re-hashing a stupid installer or low-level Unix OS.

I mean seriously look at: http://distrowatch.com/ _waste_of_time_. If you want to have some project were you say "Hey I have my Own OS, look how cool I am!!" that is fine by me.. but if you want to make a compelling user environment for a commercial product that will get widely used and open up new markets for Linux then starting off by making your own Distro is about the worst possible thing you could possibly do.

Fedora has a shitload of developers. They have the attention of the Linux kernel development community, huge user base, high quality tools, high quality installers, high quality hardware support. Debugging infrastructure, the orginization is already setup....

All of this is already _DONE_. And they WANT you to use their system. They are screaming for people to use and improve their system. There is no hidden proprietary Goo. No Redhat holding them down. It's free and they want to work with you.

What is the chances of MeeGo distro ever acheiving the same level of oginization and resources for it's own distro? NONE. ZERO ZILTCH NADDA.

So MeeGo has the choice of using what is built and supported by others so they can start cranking away on creating the high quality UI, application, development tools and such that Linux has always needed to compete in the desktop or mobile environment commercially... or they can be another pointless half-assed distro screwing around with details that nobody cares about and have already been solved in a superior way by people with a hell of a lot more experience and resources.

MeeGo: the merger of Maemo and Moblin

Posted Feb 17, 2010 15:32 UTC (Wed) by HelloWorld (guest, #56129) [Link]

Because distros having multiple different distros was a bloody stupid idea to begin with. Fragmentation is a Bad Thing. Fragmentation in the UNIX market is what allowed the rise of Windows NT. It makes software development harder and it makes the deployment harder. A lot of documentation is useless, because it's written for a distro other than the one you are using. Tons of effort are wasted because different developers package the same packages over and over and over for different distros. And this also leads to stupid bugs like the debian openssl disaster or the recent bug in OpenSuse's screen locking thingy. Not to mention the fact that having fewer distros would make it a lot easier for users to pick one (Just watch the talk "The Paradox of Choice" by Barry Schwartz, you can find it via a search engine of your choice (no pun intended)).

My personal belief is that eliminating 99.9% of all distros would increase linux adoption massively. And while we're at it, we might as well kill gtk+ in order to give developers a uniform platform to the develop for (Qt, that is). Sometimes less really is more.

MeeGo: the merger of Maemo and Moblin

Posted Feb 17, 2010 16:21 UTC (Wed) by nix (subscriber, #2304) [Link]

And choice? Choice is bad.

Thank goodness there is no central authority with the ability to do what you propose. Having multiple distros is a wonderful way to experiment with different packaging and system administration methods, or to customize the OS for particular domains. Yes, a lot are derivative or boring: but a lot aren't.

MeeGo: the merger of Maemo and Moblin

Posted Feb 18, 2010 21:52 UTC (Thu) by HelloWorld (guest, #56129) [Link]

And choice? Choice is bad.
So it is, if there is to much of it. And having literally thousands of distros is definitely too much.

Having multiple distros is a wonderful way to experiment with different packaging and system administration methods,
No, it's not. A uniform linux distribution for the desktop wouldn't stop anyone from developing, say, a new package manager or system administration tool. It would actually make things easier, because it would be possible to build and package a new tool so that *everyone* (almost) can take advantage of it. Imagine that: people could just use system-config-httpd to configure their apache web server. And if they don't like it, they remove it and install YaST instead. Having a uniform desktop linux distribution would actually give you *more* freedom, since you won't be constrained any longer by the selection of packages your distro has made for you.

or to customize the OS for particular domains.
Yes, this is why i spoke about eliminating 99.9% of all linux distributions and not about eliminating each one but one. I do see a point in having stuff like OpenWrt for embedded devices, or MeeGo for mobile devices. But having Ubuntu, OpenSuse, Mandriva, Fedora, Mint, MEPIS, Sidux etc. at the same time is utter nonsense.

The Free Software Mantra

Posted Feb 17, 2010 3:48 UTC (Wed) by ncm (subscriber, #165) [Link]

Slap early, slap often.

MeeGo: the merger of Maemo and Moblin

Posted Feb 17, 2010 7:25 UTC (Wed) by wstephenson (subscriber, #14795) [Link]

I understant that they are using their own instance of the openSUSE Build
Service for building
the packages and the distro. NB that the OBS tool comes from openSUSE but
is not limited to building openSUSE distros.

http://en.opensuse.org/Build_Service


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