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OSCON keynote: Standing out in the crowd

OSCON keynote: Standing out in the crowd

Posted Jul 27, 2009 22:29 UTC (Mon) by puzzlement (guest, #51999)
In reply to: OSCON keynote: Standing out in the crowd by jordanb
Parent article: OSCON keynote: Standing out in the crowd

Roberts' text about that slide is pretty short (she only had 15 minutes), so I can't infer exactly what she intended, but a couple of things.

One possible relevance is that some men will trust their own observations unless they have this pointed out. If a man has some other reason to believe women may have different experiences in the world and that sexism is part of this, he might then distrust his own observations of how frequent it is and be interested in what women and other men have to say about it. But not all men do so, they trust to their own observations, sometimes just because it's what they have, but sometimes to the point of being prepared to deny women's accounts of things regularly (just as many able-bodied people don't realise they should ask disabled people how they're treated, or white people ask people of colour, and then some of them fight different accounts of the world).

So it might seem obvious: there's a systematic pattern of troublesome behaviour towards women, and women have seen it more. But part of the point is validating the first clause of that sentence.

Another possible reading of those figures is that "noticing sexism" could perhaps include having heard and believed an account of it (although not everyone would interpret 'notice' that way). If a lot of men haven't heard the accounts of sexism that many women can give, which means they aren't talking to women in Free Software at all, they aren't talking to women about sexism or they are but they don't believe them.


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OSCON keynote: Standing out in the crowd

Posted Jul 27, 2009 22:53 UTC (Mon) by ewan (guest, #5533) [Link] (1 responses)

There is another alternative; a lot of the communication in Free software circles takes place in public, and on the record, so it's perfectly possible to notice directly something that's not aimed at you - men don't have to only 'notice' sexism by listening to accounts from affected women. A possible source for the discrepancy is that both men and women notice the same things, but differ in whether they believe particular behaviours to be sexist or not.

OSCON keynote: Standing out in the crowd

Posted Jul 29, 2009 1:47 UTC (Wed) by Baylink (guest, #755) [Link]

You mean TFA doesn't say that?

Of course that's got to be a large part of it. A large part is also probably Minority Syndrome, from both sides; while women are probably 51% of the population now (which isn't helping *me* get any dates :-), I'd be surprised if they were as much as 20% of the technical population, and 5% of the hacking population.

(Go ahead: someone tell me the 'not getting dates' crack is sexist. If you do, I'll tell you to pull the stick out of what our UK pals would call your arse, and get a sense of humor. Being a grownup *is* a requirement.)


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