More changes at Openmoko
| From: | Sean Moss-Pultz <sean-AT-openmoko.com> | |
| To: | announce-AT-lists.openmoko.org, community-AT-lists.openmoko.org | |
| Subject: | Freerunner's Future | |
| Date: | Tue, 2 Jun 2009 23:59:50 +0800 | |
| Message-ID: | <6cfff7040906020859s6e818486n479cc52625e8bbed@mail.gmail.com> | |
| Archive-link: | Article, Thread |
Dear Community, As some of you have heard, we had a layoff at Openmoko on Monday, May 25th. First of all let me second the comments made here congratulating the Openmoko team on all that was accomplished. And let me add that everything accomplished was only possible because of the amazing efforts of the community. Bringing the Neo products to market, first the 1973 and then the Freerunner, has been the most exceptional experience of our lives. I can undeniably say that the most important thing we have learned over these years is that the power of people bound by ideals, rather than contracts, cannot be underestimated. These phones are your success. From simple things like group sales to complex undertakings like developing and maintaining entire distributions, you made this happen. You always came through for us. As CEO, I have to determine the best path forward for our phone business. And after long discussions with my key people and Board, we've decided that the best path foreword is to turn the future of the Freerunner over to the community. We've always said that the talent and creativity of those outside the company is superior to that inside the company. We have stuck to these principles. We've have opened up more than any other phone, from any other company, in the history of this industry. Every time we chose openness over internal control, we have been rewarded. Former Openmoko employees have already started redesigning the Freerunner hardware (gta02-core) using only Free Software tools. Werner Almesberger, working with many others, has made great progress. Recently, we have released more information to accelerate their efforts. In the coming weeks, all the design information will be handed over to the community along with all of openmoko.org (Wiki, GIT, Trac, Planet, ...). Openmoko Inc. then will act as the sponsor of this effort. We will continue to fund all necessary server infrastructure and support, in areas where corporate help is needed, future open phone development. (Parts of this process will require legal work - so I request your patience.) I am extremely excited about the idea of an entirely community-built open phone. Especially since, when the next design is complete, it will have the benefits of everything uncovered since the Freerunner shipped last July. It will be buzz free, glamo free, and free of the recamping bug (#1024) - which I am happy to announce has been solved this past week. We promise to support these efforts with additional resources such as components to build prototypes of the new design. We will help to empower you to build the open phone of our future. After all this, there is one last thing that Openmoko the company can do: we can enable the community to use the Openmoko brand and trademark for these efforts. For us, the Openmoko brand is synonymous with the people who built the products: Harald, Mickey, Werner, Raster, all of my coworkers in our Taiwan office, Sureda, Tuxbrain, Bearstech, and countless others. I personally want to give an extra special thanks to Steve Mosher who has taught me so much about marketing, writing, and well...life. Without his guidance, this all would have only been an idea in my notebook. I have asked Steve to lead an effort, over the next few weeks, to gather input from the community on how best to implement this transition. (He will follow up shortly on the community mailing list.) As always we can expect some negative comments, that comes with the territory. But we believe a community that owns everything of importance, with regard to the Freerunner, will focus efforts and energies on the future - not the past. Sales of the current FreeRunner (A7), will continue as before. We have plenty more in stock. Now that the phone is freed, and its future entrusted to the hands of the community, Openmoko Inc. will start another effort on an altogether different type of device. We've sized our company to go do that task. Please wish us the very best of luck! More details will follow in the coming months... Sincerely, Sean Moss-Pultz
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More changes at Openmoko
Posted Jun 3, 2009 14:28 UTC (Wed) by wingo (guest, #26929) [Link]
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Posted Jun 3, 2009 14:40 UTC (Wed) by clugstj (subscriber, #4020) [Link]
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Posted Jun 4, 2009 9:52 UTC (Thu) by pboddie (subscriber, #50784) [Link]
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Posted Jun 4, 2009 16:43 UTC (Thu) by larryr (guest, #4030) [Link]
I suppose framing anything as "BS", even when it is, is uncharitable. As a Freerunner owner, I do not think the device, project, or company was presented as an exploratory initiative,
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Posted Jun 3, 2009 17:48 UTC (Wed) by BrucePerens (guest, #2510) [Link]
Sigh. That's pretty much the end unless the ex employees can really come up with something that can be sent to a PC board shop on their own.
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Posted Jun 3, 2009 19:40 UTC (Wed) by laf0rge (subscriber, #6469) [Link]
However, it is still a 2G or 2.5G device, based on an aged SoC... many years behind the kind of hardware that proprietary competitors are shipping.
So yes, this way you can continue to design and build open hardware cellphones - but you can certainly not produce something that the typical user will get excited about.
Using a more recent SoC like the s3c64xx (intended for GTA03) or an OMAP3 or i.MX51 or whatever else you might imagine is one aspect - and it is the easy aspect. The hard part is the actual 3G/3.5G modem. Unless you go into quantities of at least hundreds of thousands, there is no business case for any modem chip vendor to help you. And then those chip vendors are not only secretive/proprietary with regard to their hardware and firmware, they also are very secretive on the external interface/protocol.
An all those electrical design issues don't even speak about issues such as mass production, QA, mechanical engineering, distribution/sales, etc.
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Posted Jun 3, 2009 20:55 UTC (Wed) by farnz (subscriber, #17727) [Link]
And it faces a big problem due to the lack of 3G support - there are people like me who would like a Free phone, and would pay for it, but are provisioned with USIMs that require a 3G capable handset. I thus cannot buy a 2.5G only handset, as my network subscription simply will not function.
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Posted Jun 3, 2009 22:09 UTC (Wed) by drag (guest, #31333) [Link]
http://www.gizmoforyou.com/comment.php?comment.news.40
It's the flow phone.
Instead of designing a new board from scratch they took a off-the-shelf solution from Gumstix for the main processor board.
They designed a daughter board to go with it that plugs into the main board which provides break out for mounting other devices...
So what features you want depend on how much you want to spend on the thing.
Camera, regular GSM, 3G module, etc etc. If you want 3G rather then a regular wifi phone then thats probably going to cost you another 50-100 bucks or whatever.
Very very cool.
Now I have not seen anything showing a actually working phone yet... but it is still cool.
Gumstix vs. gta02-core
Posted Jun 4, 2009 10:12 UTC (Thu) by pboddie (subscriber, #50784) [Link]
Although the Gizmo Flow is a good idea, I'm not yet convinced that the Gumstix Overo boards are ready for prime time. From what I've read, the kernel build for OMAP doesn't support power management properly (http://www.gumstix.net/Hardware/cat/Benchmarks-power-temp...), leaving the components running very hot. And for those wanting to "remix" their hardware, Gumstix mainboards are not openly documented, so there's obviously a gap in the market there.
Gumstix vs. gta02-core
Posted Jun 5, 2009 0:41 UTC (Fri) by drag (guest, #31333) [Link]
Still, even though the Ovaro is not open source I think that this is probably the best approach right now for a Android phone with the combination of good performance and openness.
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Posted Jun 4, 2009 10:03 UTC (Thu) by tzafrir (subscriber, #11501) [Link]
How much can be recycled out of that old design?
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Posted Jun 4, 2009 6:12 UTC (Thu) by tajyrink (subscriber, #2750) [Link]
Of course in the long run newer hardware would be needed, but at least now for the first time I actually _start_ recommending Neo FreeRunner to people I've so far told to wait for the buzz-fixed version, which is now shipping.
And I'll happily use my FreeRunner for as long as it lasts, if it's truly so that nothing better comes along, like it looks currently.
