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Hv3 and the art of minimalist web-browsing

Hv3 and the art of minimalist web-browsing

Posted Dec 18, 2008 9:50 UTC (Thu) by phillemann (guest, #49231)
Parent article: Hv3 and the art of minimalist web-browsing

As with almost all alternative Browsers there are two vital things missing here:

-An ad blocker (the web is horrible with ads enabled)
-The Flash plugin, as mentioned - optimally _not_ using gnash but the official Adobe Flash plugin.

When those are implemented I'll surely give Hv3 a chance, since it's HTML rendering and Javascript ability both seem pretty good.


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Hv3 and the art of minimalist web-browsing

Posted Dec 18, 2008 10:36 UTC (Thu) by jbh (subscriber, #494) [Link]

Polipo (the bundled proxy) supports blocking, both internally (by domain or regexp) and by calling an external redirector such as adzapper. I use this with firefox and opera.

Ways to block ads

Posted Dec 23, 2008 4:38 UTC (Tue) by i3839 (guest, #31386) [Link]

I use a combination of /etc/hosts and dnsmasq to redirect ad sites to 127.0.0.1. When I see a new ad is look up where it comes from and add the hostname to the list.

Hv3 and the art of minimalist web-browsing

Posted Dec 18, 2008 11:03 UTC (Thu) by njd27 (subscriber, #5770) [Link]

Sigh. How many times have we been round this cycle now?

1. Design a nice minimalist browser. It's fast on low resource systems.
2. Get lots of users who appreciate the speed.
3. Wait a minute, we don't have necessary features such as pop-up blocking, adblocking, phishing detection, etc.
4. Add them. Oh dear, we've become a bloated big browser.
5. Rinse and repeat.

Hv3 and the art of minimalist web-browsing

Posted Dec 19, 2008 4:31 UTC (Fri) by lysse (guest, #3190) [Link]

The sooner the Hv3 team promise that it will NEVER EVER support the Adobe Flash plugin the better!

Hv3 and the art of minimalist web-browsing

Posted Dec 19, 2008 13:21 UTC (Fri) by phillemann (guest, #49231) [Link]

That's just plain RMS escapistic. Yeah, there is this proprietary Flash format and that's bad, but just not supporting it is stupid. And yes, Flash is not in line with minimalistic and fast, but sooner or later you end up looking at a white page where a flash applet should be. And then you start firefox anyway.

Hv3 and the art of minimalist web-browsing

Posted Dec 19, 2008 19:13 UTC (Fri) by lysse (guest, #3190) [Link]

Actually, no I don't. If I start Firefox with Flash enabled, I only get three goes at it before Firefox itself refuses to open again until I get rid of the pox upon it...

You say "RMS escapistic", but all I can see is sheer pragmatism. Flash kills my machine. 90% of its practical use is watching Youtube videos, and I've got youtube-dl and mplayer for that. (And frankly, the rest of it, bar the last 0.1%, is non-Youtube videos. That's leaving aside the majority Flash usage - stupid loud annoying adverts, site intros and unwanted media streams that can't be turned off or bypassed.)

In any case, if you want Flash, use Firefox. The big shiny browsing experience is what it's used for. Asking every browser to support Flash is just demanding a pointless conformism; isn't one of the points of the free software ecosystem that diverse needs can be catered for with diverse software, without having to look to the profit line for justification?

(Oh - and don't be so bloody rude to people who are doing nothing more than expressing a view contrary to your own. It would be bad enough even if you HADN'T completely missed their point.)

Hv3 and the art of minimalist web-browsing

Posted Dec 19, 2008 23:22 UTC (Fri) by nix (subscriber, #2304) [Link]

Now, now: RMS escapism is web browsing by email. (Perhaps he's upgraded to
an actual web browser by now. :) )

Hv3 and the art of minimalist web-browsing

Posted Dec 20, 2008 14:00 UTC (Sat) by Tet (subscriber, #5433) [Link]

An ad blocker (the web is horrible with ads enabled)

I call bullshit. I've heard this claim many times, but personally I've never found it to be a problem. I surf the web without an ad blocker, and I barely notice them anyway. Now a flash blocker is without doubt necessary. But since hv3 doesn't yet support flash anyway, that's a non-issue.

Hv3 and the art of minimalist web-browsing

Posted Dec 20, 2008 14:57 UTC (Sat) by nix (subscriber, #2304) [Link]

Whether you find web ads intolerable or not is surely a personal matter. I
certainly do, in part because thanks to amblyopia my eyes are rarely
pointing in exactly the same direction: if one has unwanted flashy blinky
brightly coloured adverts in its visual field, it'll completely drown out
the text visible in the other eye's field.

Other people may just dislike the attention-grabbing flashing, or perhaps
just think they're tacky. :)


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