GNOME 2.24.2 released

[Posted November 27, 2008 by cook]

From:		Vincent Untz <vuntz-AT-gnome.org>
To:		gnome-announce-list-AT-gnome.org, devel-announce-list-AT-gnome.org
Subject:		GNOME 2.24.2 released!
Date:		Wed, 26 Nov 2008 23:40:47 +0100
Message-ID:		<20081126224047.GZ19980@vuntz.net>

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GNOME 2.24.2 Stable Release
==================================================================

This is the second update to GNOME 2.24. It contains many fixes for
important bugs that directly affect our users, documentation updates
and also a large number of updated translations. Many thanks to all
the contributors who worked hard on delivering those changes in time.
We hope it will help people feel better in their daily use of computers!

The next stable version of GNOME will be GNOME 2.24.3, which is due on
January 14th. Meanwhile, the GNOME community is actively working on the
unstable branch of GNOME that will become GNOME 2.26 in March 2009.

The GNOME 2.24 release notes are available at:

  http://library.gnome.org/misc/release-notes/2.24/


The notes that describe the changes between 2.24.1 and 2.24.2 are here:

admin    - http://download.gnome.org/admin/2.24/2.24.2/NEWS
bindings - http://download.gnome.org//bindings/2.24/2.24.2/NEWS
desktop  - http://download.gnome.org/desktop/2.24/2.24.2/NEWS
devtools - http://download.gnome.org/devtools/2.24/2.24.2/NEWS
mobile   - http://download.gnome.org/mobile/2.24/2.24.2/NEWS
platform - http://download.gnome.org/platform/2.24/2.24.2/NEWS


The GNOME 2.24.2 release is available here:

admin sources    - http://download.gnome.org/admin/2.24/2.24.2/
bindings sources - http://download.gnome.org/bindings/2.24/2.24.2/
desktop sources  - http://download.gnome.org/desktop/2.24/2.24.2/
devtools sources - http://download.gnome.org/devtools/2.24/2.24.2/
mobile sources   - http://download.gnome.org/mobile/2.24/2.24.2/
platform sources - http://download.gnome.org/platform/2.24/2.24.2/


To compile GNOME 2.24.2, you can use GARNOME [1] (which supports users
and has additional/different modules available), or the jhbuild [2]
modulesets [3] (which use the exact tarball versions from the official
release):

  [1] http://www.gnome.org/projects/garnome/
  [2] http://library.gnome.org/devel/jhbuild/
  [3] http://download.gnome.org/teams/releng/2.24.2/

We hope you'll love it,

The GNOME Release Team

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GNOME 2.24.2 released

Posted Nov 27, 2008 22:35 UTC (Thu) by Zenith (guest, #24899) [Link] (6 responses)

I would really, really like for them to fix this bug: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=552387

Removing the session feature really, really sucks. I know that I am not the only one who thinks that, and if I only had the time, I would fix this myself.

Anyone know where to put up a bounty for getting such things fixed, besides writing it into the bugs that is?

GNOME 2.24.2 released

Posted Nov 28, 2008 3:09 UTC (Fri) by xorbe (guest, #3165) [Link] (3 responses)

silly gnome user, features are too complicated for gnome users!

GNOME 2.24.2 released

Posted Nov 28, 2008 18:48 UTC (Fri) by drag (guest, #31333) [Link] (2 responses)

Well it seems that the feature has only temporarily disappeared. It seems that they want to get rid of the legacy XSMP IPC as much as possible and migrate over to something that supports the fdo-based autostart stuff and migrate over to using dbus IPC for this sort of thing (which is much more pleasant to work with).

Seems like a attempt to remove a few years of crust and decay and replace it with something that is easier to work with.

GNOME 2.24.2 released

Posted Nov 29, 2008 1:22 UTC (Sat) by nix (subscriber, #2304) [Link]

But, but, the 'legacy' XSMP is the only mechanism by which a significant
number of X applications can save their state. Drop that, and you leave
those applications out in the cold.

This is really not the way X works. I'm disappointed to see GNOME
considering it (if indeed they are).

GNOME 2.24.2 released

Posted Dec 1, 2008 10:32 UTC (Mon) by morhippo (guest, #334) [Link]

Obviously,gnome wishes to inconvenience any non-gnome program by removing working session management for all existing X apps and KDE apps, that use the default X session management protocol. Way to go! Great spirit of cooperation!

How about supporting existing methods until the new ones are implemented by all major programs?

GNOME 2.24.2 released

Posted Nov 28, 2008 10:13 UTC (Fri) by kripkenstein (guest, #43281) [Link]

Me too. I relied on session memory quite a bit, very disappointing that this is gone.

GNOME 2.24.2 released

Posted Nov 29, 2008 11:48 UTC (Sat) by mikachu (guest, #5333) [Link]

http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=555406 would be nice too.

Evolution

Posted Nov 27, 2008 22:44 UTC (Thu) by bojan (subscriber, #14302) [Link] (17 responses)

<rant>
Whatever you do, stay away from Evolution for mail. Not only does it crash and cannot see mail when connected to Exchange, but it has trouble with IMAP too (did I mention it was slow when getting mail?). I have no idea if anyone actually does any testing of Evo before releasing it. I could swear not. This release is orders of magnitude worse than the previous one.
</rant>

Before you ask, yes, I did file bugs. And yes, I'll keep using it (for now), because I'm a patient man :-)

Evolution

Posted Nov 28, 2008 0:15 UTC (Fri) by flammon (guest, #807) [Link] (7 responses)

Ah man... I stopped using Evolution a few years ago because it crashed so much and I could not stand it anymore and now you're saying that not only has it not improved but it's getting worse! Saddening, because it really has potential. If only it could stop crashing.

De-evolution

Posted Nov 28, 2008 2:31 UTC (Fri) by abatters (✭ supporter ✭, #6932) [Link]

Same thing here. It's natural selection, you know.

Evolution

Posted Nov 28, 2008 3:39 UTC (Fri) by bojan (subscriber, #14302) [Link] (5 responses)

I'm stuck with Evo for the following reasons:

- knows how to do GSSAPI auth to IMAP
- knows how to use SSL with IMAP (well, it did until this release)
- can use and _edit_ an LDAP addressbook
- has calendaring
- same software can connect to Exchange (need it for work)
- same software can use Exchange GAL (again, need it for work)
- same software can use Exchange calendaring (again, need it for work)
- has spell checker
- has address autocomplete
- probably a few more things I cannot remember right now

I tried (unsuccessfully) claws-mail and balsa for the IMAP stuff (cannot do that at work at all - Exchange admins refuse to turn IMAP on - lucky I get OWA).

Just out of curiosity, what do you normally use?

PS. Evo is one of those things that, if done properly, could be really, really good. But, the quality of the releases varies greatly. Previous Evo (2.22) was kinda OK (it would still crash occasionally when used with Exchange - especially on big folders). I'm looking forward to MAPI support on that front.

Evolution

Posted Nov 28, 2008 6:38 UTC (Fri) by drag (guest, #31333) [Link] (1 responses)

IMAP support for Exchange is shit. You don't want it. Also there is security issues with trying to get IMAP working and requires extra work and vigilance on the part of admins. It's no surprise that admins are not wanting to support it. I wouldn't want to take a kerberos domain and try to degrade it's security by adding IMAP for Linux compatibility.

OWA is also shit. The web interface for Exchange is unreliable and locks up continuously for myself and anybody that uses it. It's just very bad. That's the web interface _being_used_as_a_web_interface_ and not a hack to get Evolution to pretend it has Exchange compatibility. It's not surprising to me that Exchange support in Evolution makes Evolution run like crap. You can't make a silk purse from a sow's ear. OWA by itself is shit, expecting OWA + Evolution to be anything else is just pure wishful thinking.

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What you want is native MAPI support. This means using the client support that Exchange has that is, you know, is designed to be used by clients.

This also means that you have AD intergration, some SAMBA 4 stuff, and the whole ten yards. A Outlook replacement for the Linux desktop, not a second-class imap pretender (after all, if Exchange was just about email then it would be a easy kill for the OSS community) or alternative front-end to the web interface.

Of course this required functionality is not yet present in Evolution. It should be in Gnome 2.26 though and is probably one of the more important features for the Gnome desktop in a long time.

Thank goodness for OpenChange (not to be confused with other projects like Open Exchange) and Samba4 for providing this sort of minimal functionality that is expected to be present in modern business desktops.

http://www.openchange.org/index.php?option=com_content&...

http://www.go-evolution.org/MAPIProvider

Evolution

Posted Nov 28, 2008 8:50 UTC (Fri) by bojan (subscriber, #14302) [Link]

> IMAP support for Exchange is shit.

I ran Evo against IMAP in Exchange at a larger organisation than the one I'm at now and it was a bit better then OWA. Of course, what kind of pain Windows admins had to go through to make that work, I don't know (and don't care :-).

> OWA is also shit.

Yeah, no kidding. Typical MS play. They supposedly support common protocols, browsers etc., but in the end none of the compatible stuff actually works and one is forced to use proprietary stuff.

Let's see what MAPI support brings.

Evolution

Posted Nov 28, 2008 13:15 UTC (Fri) by jospoortvliet (guest, #33164) [Link] (1 responses)

I've been using GMail for a very long time, and MS Outlook at work, but recently I've been moving to KMail/Kontact from SVN. It's not incredibly stable yet, but it gives me high hopes for a final release with KDE 4.2. Beta 1 is probably worth a look.

Evolution

Posted Nov 29, 2008 3:41 UTC (Sat) by dkite (guest, #4577) [Link]

Indeed. The akonadi/kmail setup works well with gmail. I couldn't reliably
use it previously.

Derek

Evolution

Posted Dec 1, 2008 11:31 UTC (Mon) by janpla (guest, #11093) [Link]

I use Thunderbird at home and the Exchange Server's web interface at work.

Thunderbird because: it works well enough, it allows me to never see HTML mail, the SPAM filter and probably several more reasons.

The web interface because: some brilliant mind has decided that Sarbanes- Oxley somehow makes it mandatory that the IMAP port is not open, and I just can't stand the pain of using Evolution.

What I would really love to see is Thunderburp being able to connect to Exchange Server even when it doesn't use POP3 or IMAP.

Evolution

Posted Nov 28, 2008 2:16 UTC (Fri) by dilinger (subscriber, #2867) [Link]

I wish Claws were more gnome-aware, but it still makes a great replacement for Evolution in a gnome environment.

Evolution

Posted Nov 28, 2008 3:58 UTC (Fri) by sbergman27 (guest, #10767) [Link] (6 responses)

I've used Evolution as my primary email client with both uw-imap and google's imap servers. Works great for me. I also have 60+ users using it for pop3. I'm surprised at all the negativity in this thread. We don't use Exchange. So I can't comment on that.

I enjoy its integration with the Gnome desktop and find that Evolution/Epiphany are a substantial win for memory consumption compared to Thunderbird/Firefox on my Gnome desktops.

Evolution

Posted Nov 28, 2008 6:50 UTC (Fri) by drag (guest, #31333) [Link] (3 responses)

Ya. Exchange is 'teh sux'. Very difficult to work with if your not Microsoft.

Out of different email clients I've tried probably the only GUI ones that I personally would consider using is probably Evolution, Balsa, or Thunderbird. I've tried stuff like Claws and Sypheed, but they tend to make dealing with html-formatted email way to difficult or are otherwise to 'elite' for me to be comfortable to work with. (keep in mind that html-formatted email is a swear-to-god internet standard) Other people will probably like them, but it's just not my speed.

It should end up being better when Gnome gets webkit support into Evolution and friends and gets rid of the old gtkhtml stuff.

Evolution

Posted Nov 28, 2008 8:40 UTC (Fri) by SiB (subscriber, #4048) [Link]

> (keep in mind that html-formatted email is a swear-to-god internet standard)

Yes, just like SPAM is. And it's being routed to the same folder :-)

HTML formatted mail

Posted Nov 29, 2008 3:58 UTC (Sat) by dskoll (subscriber, #1630) [Link] (1 responses)

(keep in mind that html-formatted email is a swear-to-god internet standard)

I almost never see HTML-formatted mail. I suppose I get sent quite a bit of it, but luckily almost all mail clients that send HTML mail send it as multipart/alternative with a corresponding text/plain part. My mail server notices this, strips out the text/html, and everything is tickety-boo. Plus my mail archive is less than half the size it would be otherwise.

HTML formatted mail

Posted Nov 29, 2008 7:59 UTC (Sat) by drag (guest, #31333) [Link]

The biggest reason I use html text is for emails from grandma. :)

Evolution

Posted Nov 28, 2008 8:52 UTC (Fri) by Rehdon (guest, #45440) [Link]

I've also been using Evolution for years, both with POP3 and IMAP accounts, and while it's not perfect it surely does it job. I experienced random crashes with the 2.22 version, only minor glitches with the 2.24.1 one I'm using now.

Sure, it seems that development is crawling, I'd really like better IMAP support and Google-like conversations.

Rehdon

Evolution

Posted Nov 28, 2008 21:50 UTC (Fri) by elanthis (guest, #6227) [Link]

I've also used Evolution for years, but it definitely has _not_ worked great. Crashes weren't too common, but anything more often than "never" is too often for me. Usually Evolution would have more subtle -- but equally data-destroying -- bugs, such as lock ups in the editor, drag-n-drop of messages causing a lockup (which in turn made the whole damn X session unusable, since the X grab was still in effect), and so on.

Switching to Thunderbird has made my life so much nicer.

Evolution

Posted Dec 1, 2008 9:43 UTC (Mon) by zzxtty (guest, #45175) [Link]

A few years ago Evolution was very unstable, now however it appears very stable (currently running under Ubuntu). I use IMAP to talk to an Exchange server which can at times be very slow, but I suspect the server is overloaded as even the native Exchange users complain about it being unresponsive.

GNOME 2.24.2 released

Posted Nov 28, 2008 11:14 UTC (Fri) by Janne (guest, #40891) [Link] (5 responses)

Why hasn't LWN told about the release of KDE4.2-beta1?

KDE 4.2 Beta 1

Posted Nov 30, 2008 14:28 UTC (Sun) by rvfh (guest, #31018) [Link]

By the looks of it, Kubuntu haven't noticed about it either yet! Not a word on their site...

GNOME 2.24.2 released

Posted Nov 30, 2008 15:24 UTC (Sun) by ovitters (guest, #27950) [Link] (3 responses)

Why post this question in a GNOME announcement? Do you want to imply GNOME is responsible for LWN not posting some KDE announcement?

Anyway, contact some LWN person.

GNOME 2.24.2 released

Posted Dec 1, 2008 7:08 UTC (Mon) by JoeBuck (guest, #2330) [Link] (2 responses)

Besides, the complainer appears to be attacking LWN for not paying the same attention to a snapshot of platform Foo as it does to a release of platform Bar.

GNOME 2.24.2 released

Posted Dec 1, 2008 15:50 UTC (Mon) by halla (subscriber, #14185) [Link] (1 responses)

Be fair -- it's not a snapshot, it's first a beta release for a pretty
important release of a pretty important project that contains some pretty
cool stuff. And LWN usually carries such notices. I missed it myself, but
then I thought, well, isn't it Turkey Time in the USA? Probably not a very-

GNOME 2.24.2 released

Posted Dec 1, 2008 17:14 UTC (Mon) by rvfh (guest, #31018) [Link]

Indeed, ti seem KDE 4.2 will become a real alternative to KDE 3.5.x... if you don't need Bluetooth that is. Or did I miss something?