One week of infrastructure issues [LWN.net]

One week of infrastructure issues

Posted Aug 23, 2008 21:05 UTC (Sat) by sbergman27 (guest, #10767)
In reply to: One week of infrastructure issues by jspaleta
Parent article: One week of infrastructure issues

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Sun opened up its build infrastructure they use to actually build the versions of OpenSolaris that they provide in binary form?
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No. I was responding to motk's statement:

"It took a lot of time and effort for the ISIT team to build out infrastructure to bootstrap everything, for Legal to ensure that nothing lurked in there that could either bite RH or encumber the nascent Fedora project"

You might recognize that as the stock argument for why it takes so long to open large bodies of closed source code. In response, I pointed out that Sun managed to open a gigantic and completely closed code base (with a long history), in far less time than it took Fedora/Redhat to open up the supposedly 100% open-source build infrastructure of a 100% open-source project for public use. Different goals, yes. But opening Solaris was at least an order of magnitude more ambitious than what took Fedora so very, very long to accomplish.

It's hard to believe that people whom I know *must* be familiar with the situation are actually trying to deny the obvious and major foot-dragging that occurred for years.

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One week of infrastructure issues

Posted Aug 24, 2008 1:04 UTC (Sun) by motk (subscriber, #51120) [Link] (2 responses)

Thanks for implying that I'm a liar. I really appreciate your contributions to the public FOSS discourse.

One week of infrastructure issues

Posted Aug 24, 2008 4:20 UTC (Sun) by sbergman27 (guest, #10767) [Link] (1 responses)

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Thanks for implying that I'm a liar.
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motk,

What do you mean by that? I disagreed with your argument, but never intended to imply that you were a liar. I do perceive some general desire by some to sweep certain things under the rug at this late date, when the evidence is not still hanging in everyone's faces. But that's a different thing.

All's well that ends well. But that does not mean that all was always well. Best to admit past mistakes and go on, I think...

One week of infrastructure issues

Posted Aug 24, 2008 18:22 UTC (Sun) by rahulsundaram (subscriber, #21946) [Link]

"I pointed out that Sun managed to open a gigantic and completely closed code base (with a long history), in far less time than it took Fedora/Redhat to open up the supposedly 100% open-source build infrastructure of a 100% open-source project for public use."

It wasn't open build infrastructure at all before and what was used internally was completely unusable outside of Red Hat. It had to be written from scratch before it was used for Fedora as I have already indicated earlier. It wasn't 100% open source either. That's just two of the several things you have got wrong in this discussion. This discussion seems completely unrelated to the article at this point even if it was tangentially related earlier and If you got more questions, feel free to email me and I will happy to tell you all about it.