The first Gnash beta is out

>I'm afraid that from your comments, it seems you're a simplicity-for-the-
>sake-of-it man who doesn't understand that sometimes driving complexity >into the language
enables you to make the things built atop that language >simpler.)
That's schoolar sighted. In the reality, coding clean object-oriented software is *hard*: with
object-oriented semantic hardwired directly into the syntax, coders tend to produce a kind of
"object-orientish" mixture, just for the sake to be "object-oriented".
That's from the code I read and my experience.
BTW, if you dislike the STL... have a look at the boost lib... gnash uses it...