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Posted Nov 14, 2007 22:03 UTC (Wed) by copsewood (subscriber, #199)
In reply to: Email privacy by man_ls
Parent article: Email privacy

"That only works if I own the domain. Most people get their email from a higher level
provider, which also own the DNS record. It is easy to redirect selected queries."

Semantically carries the same global meaning in connection with working
relationships, name delegation and a potential certificate chain as, though I
accept that the syntax differs. 

"And even if I own the domain, a simple change at my domain registrar would suffice to
redirect queries to another server. Or at a root server; as you say, you have to trust the
certificate chain down to the root. How do you defend against that?"

If you trust the .com root key signing certificate, and .com registry has signed the certificate, to assert that this key genuinely belongs to the owner of, and the key has similarly been used to sign the or
even the certificate, then a verifiable chain of trust exists. If you don't
like or trust the .com key-signing certificate, you can register or .
In fact any community that wants to establish a certification tree can root this at any DNS
domain or subdomain that they elect to use for this purpose. As Joe, you defend against reallocating to someone else in the same way that you prevent .com
reallocating to someone else if you are . If you don't trust the next
label up the chain reallocating your identity in breach of contract, find a domain parent you
do trust to keep to its contract.

If the standards agreed for this purpose place references to locations for certificates at
regular and known places within the DNS then a chain enabling a certificate to be located and
verfied based on knowledge of the the location of the root and trust in the root certificate,
will exist so long as all parent domains to yours up to the root server operate in accordance
with the agreed standard for achieving this. Relocation is no more of an issue than it already
is if the IP address of a DNS server containing delegation records for your domain is changed
- the next level up has to be updated to contain the new address.

If a domain's DNS is spoofed e.g. through a cache poisoning attack, this will create the
possibility of a denial of service attack in the sense that the spoofed domain location will
not contain a certificate for the domain certificated by its parent, making the genuine domain
uncontactable until the redirection is resolved.

Generally domain parents don't do the reputation of their own domain
any good by playing fast and loose with identities or breaching contracts with customers, but
if a domain registration contract has been allowed to lapse, there is nothing to prevent the
identities concerned from being reallocated, just as there is nothing to prevent someone else
from having the same name as me or someone given the family name: McDonald at birth from
opening a restaurant under their own name.

Cryptography will always be seen to fail if the standard required for success is for it to be
seen as solving all of the world's honesty, security and identity problems. This doesn't
prevent crypto from being used more universally and easily than it now is. Personally I can
see some good reasons for the set of working relationships we know as the DNS to be extended
in this manner. I'm not interested in evaluating this against the assumption that this has to
give "perfect security" in all situations as all proposals will fail based on such a
criterion. I am interested in whether this enables us achieve better security than what we now
have in practice more readily than other possible approaches.

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Email privacy

Posted Nov 14, 2007 23:47 UTC (Wed) by man_ls (guest, #15091) [Link]

Thanks for the lengthy explanation, it made your point much clearer at least for me.

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