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To Sir, with Love: How To Get More Women Involved in Open Source (O'ReillyNet)

To Sir, with Love: How To Get More Women Involved in Open Source (O'ReillyNet)

Posted Sep 29, 2007 21:21 UTC (Sat) by nix (subscriber, #2304)
In reply to: To Sir, with Love: How To Get More Women Involved in Open Source (O'ReillyNet) by MattPerry
Parent article: To Sir, with Love: How To Get More Women Involved in Open Source (O'ReillyNet)

You're really getting into a nest of snakes here, not least because the
division of the sexes in biology is nowhere near as nice and neat as you
seem to think.

e.g. one of my friends is, outwardly, a very nice lady. By chance she
discovered when she was about seventeen that she's a completely
androgen-insensitive XY (the absolute absence of periods is a good sign
that something is up). I wouldn't call her `really male'; she's
genetically male with a moderately common mutation, mentally female (to
whatever extent that means anything), and biologically... *mostly* female.

Now obviously humans instinctively classify other humans by gender, so
there's not much point saying `everyone, treat me as a woman' if you're
six feet tall and bearded with a deep voice (nobody will be able to, try
as they might): but surgery exists to make you look like whatever gender
you please, and after that, I'd say it *is* insulting to have people say
you're not `really' your chosen gender.


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To Sir, with Love: How To Get More Women Involved in Open Source (O'ReillyNet)

Posted Sep 30, 2007 3:02 UTC (Sun) by ofeeley (guest, #36105) [Link]

"androgen-insensitive XY"

Also known as "testicular feminization syndrome" if I remember my undergraduate medical genetics courses correctly. It turns out that phenotypically many of the traits currently considered highly desirable in women in our culture are expressed more highly by possessors of this karyotype.

Chances are that many of us that have admired a super-model for their "obviously" "female" characteristics have been appreciating exactly this phenotype!

The contention that "man" is a biologically defined as opposed to socially is not really tenable and the fact that it should matter so much to anyone as opposed to how the human performs as a colleague speaks volumes about the problem.


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