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on-board video cards

Posted Sep 24, 2007 19:34 UTC (Mon) by khim (subscriber, #9252)
In reply to: on-board video cards by giraffedata
Parent article: What every programmer should know about memory, Part 1

DVI requires constant refresh too. It's not needed for modern LCD - that's just how DVI is designed.

As for needless polling when monitor is power save mode... Few years ago it was certainly true anyway - but times are changing. May be latest integrated CPUs are stopping this useless polling when there are no need, I just don't know.

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Posted Sep 28, 2007 14:41 UTC (Fri) by pm101 (guest, #3011) [Link] (2 responses)

Are you sure?

My impression was that active matrix LCDs worked a lot like DRAM. They had a transistor and a capacitor for each pixel (the transistor was added in the move from passive to active matrix), but the voltage on that capacitor decayed and needed to be periodically refreshed. I was unaware of LCD displays having any on-board memory from which to do the refresh, but that could have been added while I wasn't following the market, although I'd be surprised, since it seems like it'd be an unnecessary cost item.

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Posted Sep 29, 2007 21:49 UTC (Sat) by giraffedata (guest, #1954) [Link] (1 responses)

It's not the physics, but the modernness that I think makes the refresh not necessary for LCDs at the level it is for CRTs: If I were designing a monitor in the 1990s out of parts that need to be refreshed (even a CRT), I would put required refresh function inside,rather than pass the responsibility off to the computer. In SVGA days, though, it probably made sense to keep the monitor dumb.

But I guess DVI designers decided the computer wants to update the picture by a full raster scan 60 times a second anyway, so there's no need for internal refresh. Doing a little reading just now, it looks like the DVI data stream is a simple raster scan. It even apparently has "blanking intervals," though they couldn't possibly be for same purpose as on a CRT.

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Posted Sep 29, 2007 23:06 UTC (Sat) by foom (subscriber, #14868) [Link]

But I guess DVI designers decided the computer wants to update the picture by a full raster scan 60 times a second anyway, so there's no need for internal refresh. Doing a little reading just now, it looks like the DVI data stream is a simple raster scan. It even apparently has "blanking intervals," though they couldn't possibly be for same purpose as on a CRT.

DVI's timing and blanking intervals are the same as VGA's. I believe it was designed this way to make the modification to the video cards easier, and to facilitate dual-output DVI / VGA video cards. (so the VGA port is basically just the DVI port with an extra D2A converter in the path.)