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How not to handle a licensing violation

How not to handle a licensing violation

Posted Apr 12, 2007 14:57 UTC (Thu) by lysse (guest, #3190)
In reply to: How not to handle a licensing violation by nim-nim
Parent article: How not to handle a licensing violation

I'm sure you won't mind posting a URL. After all, as the claimant, it's your responsibility to provide support.


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How not to handle a licensing violation

Posted Apr 12, 2007 15:17 UTC (Thu) by nim-nim (subscriber, #34454) [Link]

Here
http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.drivers.bcm54xx.deve...

Please do your own reading next time

How not to handle a licensing violation

Posted Apr 12, 2007 23:50 UTC (Thu) by lysse (guest, #3190) [Link]

...and what a surprise, it's hearsay - moreover, Quaker.Fang is described as an OpenSolaris developer, not a Sun developer.

As for "do your own reading": 1. I attempted due diligence (hence the Google reference); 2. even had I read and remembered this particular line in that email, I would not have associated it with the claim you made.

Because it's different.

As I suspected - you got nothin'. Please don't make baseless claims and then get defensive when you're called on them next time.

How not to handle a licensing violation

Posted Apr 13, 2007 6:04 UTC (Fri) by nim-nim (subscriber, #34454) [Link]

You can think whatever you like.

Every other bit Theo tried to dismiss was substanciated big time in replies and only got him up to his neck. I note he didn't try to attack this one - you can ask in the thread if you don't trust the Linux guys but their case has been pretty solid so far and my money is on them.

Whatever qualifier you apply to Quaker Fang it doesn't change the basic point that third parties were getting involved. How did they knew they were getting involved? Probably the say way they learnt of the infringement, by reading what people write on specialized mailing lists. It's a small world.

How not to handle a licensing violation

Posted Apr 13, 2007 13:16 UTC (Fri) by lysse (guest, #3190) [Link]

> You can think whatever you like.

I am happy to be so permitted. So can you; you can even say what you like, and there's not a damned thing I can do to stop you. But you don't get to throw around unsubstantiated allegations and unsavoury implications without being called on them; that kind of behaviour is cowardly and despicable. (And yeah, I see you just did it again.) You may (and clearly do) think that Theo is the lowest of the low - but I don't believe that Theo has ever acted with the kind of wilful disregard of such niceties as evidence and honesty that you have exhibited here; I don't want to associate with people who think only "nice people" have the right to be treated well; and on the basis of what I've seen, I would trust Theo over you without hesitation.

How not to handle a licensing violation

Posted Apr 13, 2007 6:05 UTC (Fri) by k8to (subscriber, #15413) [Link]

It seems the essential issue that the code was being actively considered for use in another project remains, and the rough description is not entirely inaccurate.

Let us all make *some* room in order to allow discussion to occur.

How not to handle a licensing violation

Posted Apr 13, 2007 13:00 UTC (Fri) by lysse (guest, #3190) [Link]

But then we have to return to the "hearsay" point. What has been presented isn't evidence of anything except what the original mail writer believed to be the case; he may be mistaken, he may not be aware of the most current facts, etc.

We can make some room, sure; but for one thing, it's manifestly unfair to start slinging concrete accusations around on the back of unsupported hypotheses; and for another, the GPL is clear that it applies to distribution rather than receipt, so the point (of whether the code was about to be reused by Sun, Microsoft, or some random guy who wanted to make his machine work) has no relevance at all.

Which makes it curious that it was raised in the first place, let alone overstated as wildly as it was.

How not to handle a licensing violation

Posted Apr 14, 2007 13:35 UTC (Sat) by Los__D (guest, #15263) [Link]

...the GPL is clear that it applies to distribution rather than receipt, so the point (of whether the code was about to be reused by Sun, Microsoft, or some random guy who wanted to make his machine work) has no relevance at all.

What? Distributions about to reuse a driver, has no affect on the distribution clause? What do you think they would like to reuse it for?


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