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do we need it all in on utility? yes please!

do we need it all in on utility? yes please!

Posted Jun 2, 2006 0:42 UTC (Fri) by flewellyn (subscriber, #5047)
In reply to: do we need it all in on utility? yes please! by coriordan
Parent article: GNU grep's new features (Linux.com)

Emacs, of course, is everyone's favorite target for complaining about bloat. Remember "Eight
Megs And Constantly Swapping"? But the funny thing is, Emacs has remained relatively constant
in memory usage over the years, so that nowadays, that eight megs does not look so bad.
Compare it to Eclipse, or Mozilla, or even some individual component programs of GNOME or
KDE, and, well...gee. Emacs suddenly doesn't look so bloated.

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eight megs and constantly swapping

Posted Jun 2, 2006 5:27 UTC (Fri) by xoddam (subscriber, #2322) [Link] 

  PID USER      PR  NI  VIRT  RES  SHR S %CPU %MEM    TIME+  COMMAND  
 5915 jmaddox   15   0 14192  11m 8752 S  0.0  1.1   0:56.04 emacs

Fourteen, eight ... I guess libc used to be smaller :-)

do we need it all in on utility? yes please!

Posted Jun 2, 2006 8:16 UTC (Fri) by davidw (guest, #947) [Link] (4 responses)

Yeah, I still can't quite figure out what Eclipse *does* with all that memory. It's an order of magnitude bigger than a fully-loaded Emacs session.

do we need it all in on utility? yes please!

Posted Jun 2, 2006 13:29 UTC (Fri) by micampe (guest, #4384) [Link] (3 responses)

In short, it builds a model of your code, to provide smart completion suggestions, real-time error checking, refactoring and more.

do we need it all in on utility? yes please!

Posted Jun 2, 2006 17:06 UTC (Fri) by carcassonne (guest, #31569) [Link] (2 responses)

In short, it builds a model of your code, to provide smart completion suggestions, real-time error checking, refactoring and more.

I just got the cedet kit for emacs and although I've not had the time to configure it yet, it provides (the semantic part of it) 'intellisense' completion (that is, based on the code, not the regular completion emacs has based on what you type).

And it does not seem to add any more memory use to emacs.

For refactoring, there's xref for emacs, but that's a commercial product.

As for real-time error checking, I dunno. I guess I'd prefer the actual compiler to check this out. It's pretty good at that.

do we need it all in on utility? yes please!

Posted Jun 2, 2006 22:08 UTC (Fri) by micampe (guest, #4384) [Link] (1 responses)

I just got the cedet kit for emacs and although I've not had the time to configure it yet, it provides (the semantic part of it) 'intellisense' completion (that is, based on the code, not the regular completion emacs has based on what you type).

There's more than just intellisense. Intellisense is so 90s.

If that does it for you, fine by me, but I prefer using a tool with an user interface designed in this century, doesn't require configuration to be used and three years to master (and I still doubt that tool can be considered on par with Eclipse JDT).

As for real-time error checking, I dunno. I guess I'd prefer the actual compiler to check this out. It's pretty good at that.

It is the actual compiler doing that.

Eclipse (like most other IDEs) is much more powerful than a text editor launching a compiler.

do we need it all in on utility? yes please!

Posted Jun 8, 2006 7:38 UTC (Thu) by lysse (guest, #3190) [Link]

"Intellisense is so 90s."

Likewise, I guess writing code that doesn't assume infinite memory and CPU cycles and actually takes care to conserve its resource usage is so 80s...

"I prefer using a tool with an user interface designed in this century"

Whereas a goodly number of developers prefer using a tool whose UI has been under constant development for 20 years and is customisable to a degree where it works with their muscle memory. Good engineering simply doesn't become obsolete, and I'd rather have an intuitive command set than a pretty picture any day.

do we need it all in on utility? yes please!

Posted Jun 2, 2006 8:47 UTC (Fri) by nix (subscriber, #2304) [Link]

XEmacs has grown, because of all the packages: there's 120Mb of Lisp alone shipped with it.

But of course not all of that is *loaded* at once :)


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