The end of the Fedora Foundation
The end of the Fedora Foundation
Posted Apr 5, 2006 15:40 UTC (Wed) by mattdm (subscriber, #18)In reply to: The end of the Fedora Foundation by philips
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Most people who cared and used RHL for many years already went off of the RH/Fedora few years ago.
Do you have any data to back up this claim?
Posted Apr 5, 2006 16:03 UTC (Wed)
by gowen (guest, #23914)
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Besides, the Linux Kernel isn't a community project; it's ruled by a sometimes-benevolent dictator (and don't even get me started on the management structure of OpenBSD). It's equally difficult to get code into FSF projects like GCC and emacs. Why is it necessarily a bad thing if Linux distributions are managed in the same way?
PS : the idea that people would switch to Novell's SuSE Linux because its a community-run project is too silly for words.
Posted Apr 5, 2006 16:46 UTC (Wed)
by error27 (subscriber, #8346)
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Communitee doesn't mean good or bad. There are some sucky communitee driven projects.
Posted Apr 5, 2006 18:55 UTC (Wed)
by pizza (subscriber, #46)
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You are confused in your defintion of "community", because that can be defined in many different ways. Do you perhaps mean a community of *users* or a community of *developers*? Using the former, I don't know of any distributions which can be called "community-driven", but using the latter, nearly everyone qualifies, including Fedora.
Free Software has always been about contribution; The best way to influence the process of your favorite project is to, well, contribute some work.
Note that crucial word: Contribution.
The majority of the developers contributing to Fedora are paid by RedHat and thus work towards RedHat's interests. Why shouldn't RedHat have the largest say in what Fedora does?
Posted Apr 6, 2006 22:51 UTC (Thu)
by error27 (subscriber, #8346)
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This affects how work is done. Linus doesn't say, "Bob, you work on devfs. Steve you work on preemption." Everyone decides for themselves what to work on. Sometimes the community can decide that some areas need more focus.
Obviously, Debian is a community effort. So it can be done.
When Fedora first launched some people hoped more developers would join the Fedora community and maintain packages. For example, Abiword was completely broken in rh9 and it caused the Abiword developers a lot of support headaches. If they could just distribute their own RPMs through the Fedora project maybe they could have avoided that.
It didn't turn out that way.
These days if Abiword was broken the developers would hopefully notice it before it went gold and file a bugzilla entry. So it's an improvement from before at least...
Posted Apr 7, 2006 16:37 UTC (Fri)
by rahulsundaram (subscriber, #21946)
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These day the upstream Abiword developers maintain the packages themselves in Fedora Extras and they like it better now than ever.
Posted Apr 5, 2006 16:05 UTC (Wed)
by lolando (guest, #7139)
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Posted Apr 5, 2006 16:15 UTC (Wed)
by azhrei_fje (guest, #26148)
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In my experience as an educator (I do contract Linux training), students
I would say the ratio is roughly 2:1 OpenSUSE vs. Fedora. I bring DVD-Rs
I switched away from RHL back around v7.3. I still have a couple of boxes
Posted Apr 6, 2006 5:42 UTC (Thu)
by loening (guest, #174)
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The end of the Fedora Foundation
Do you have any data to back up this claim?
Assuming RH aren't lying about the amount of bandwidth the Fedora Core 5 isos sucked up, I'd go as far to say the data we have contradicts, rather than supports that claim. Unless, of course, "No-one goes there anymore, its too crowded."
Communitee driven means how much outsiders work on the project as opposed to employees. The kernel is a communitee driven project. Linus doesn't pay any of the kernel developers they all come from random parts of the communitee.The end of the Fedora Foundation
That definition of 'community' is nonsensical; these days the vast majority of the work on Free or Open Source Software is done by people paid to work on that software; ie employees of some other entity. This is especially true of the Linux kernel. The end of the Fedora Foundation
The key to what I was saying was that it's not _Linus's_ employee's who work on the kernel. It's employee's from RedHat, IBM, Novell etc who work on the kernel.The end of the Fedora Foundation
The end of the Fedora Foundation
I have no idea about the claim or its validity, but Netcraft did show a net increase in Debian usage over the last few years.The end of the Fedora Foundation
How about an informal poll (probably not here, though!).Informal poll re: moving from Fedora to ...??
that want to learn Linux will choose SUSE for use at home (more eye
candy). Sometimes a student whose company is running RHEL will choose
Fedora to use at home, in order to have the same core. Sometimes not.
of both to training classes with me to give away, and I will often compare
usability issues between distros during breaks -- multimedia and
suspend/resume support being the most often discussed areas.
for experimenting with Mandriva, Linspire, m0n0wall, and others from
distrowatch.org.
Well, I've been in graduate school for the last couple of years (Bioengineering), and I've never actually seen a student run anything besides Redhat or Fedora. The campus shell servers here, however, are currently running Ubuntu.Informal poll re: moving from Fedora to ...??