|From:||David Teigland <teigland-AT-redhat.com>|
|To:||Andrew Morton <akpm-AT-osdl.org>|
|Subject:||Re: GFS, what's remaining|
|Date:||Sat, 3 Sep 2005 13:18:41 +0800|
|Cc:||Alan Cox <alan-AT-lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>, linux-fsdevel-AT-vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel-AT-vger.kernel.org, linux-cluster-AT-redhat.com|
On Thu, Sep 01, 2005 at 01:21:04PM -0700, Andrew Morton wrote: > Alan Cox <email@example.com> wrote: > > > - Why GFS is better than OCFS2, or has functionality which OCFS2 cannot > > > possibly gain (or vice versa) > > > > > > - Relative merits of the two offerings > > > > You missed the important one - people actively use it and have been for > > some years. Same reason with have NTFS, HPFS, and all the others. On > > that alone it makes sense to include. > > Again, that's not a technical reason. It's _a_ reason, sure. But what are > the technical reasons for merging gfs, ocfs2, both or neither? > > If one can be grown to encompass the capabilities of the other then we're > left with a bunch of legacy code and wasted effort. GFS is an established fs, it's not going away, you'd be hard pressed to find a more widely used cluster fs on Linux. GFS is about 10 years old and has been in use by customers in production environments for about 5 years. It is a mature, stable file system with many features that have been technically refined over years of experience and customer/user feedback. The latest development cycle (GFS2) has focussed on improving performance, it's not a new file system -- the "2" indicates that it's not ondisk compatible with earlier versions. OCFS2 is a new file system. I expect they'll want to optimize for their own unique goals. When OCFS appeared everyone I know accepted it would coexist with GFS, each in their niche like every other fs. That's good, OCFS and GFS help each other technically even though they may eventually compete in some areas (which can also be good.) Dave Here's a random summary of technical features: - cluster infrastructure: a lot of work, perhaps as much as gfs itself, has gone into the infrastructure surrounding and supporting gfs - cluster infrastructure allows for easy cooperation with CLVM - interchangable lock/cluster modules: gfs interacts with the external infrastructure, including lock manager, through an interchangable module allowing the fs to be adapted to different environments. - a "nolock" module can be plugged in to use gfs as a local fs (can be selected at mount time, so any fs can be mounted locally) - quotas, acls, cluster flocks, direct io, data journaling, ordered/writeback journaling modes -- all supported - gfs transparently switches to a different locking scheme for direct io allowing parallel non-allocating writes with no lock contention - posix locks -- supported, although it's being reworked for better performance right now - asynchronous locking, lock prefetching + read-ahead - coherent shared-writeable memory mappings across the cluster - nfs3 support (multiple nfs servers exporting one gfs is very common) - extend fs online, add journals online - full fs quiesce to allow for block level snapshot below gfs - read-only mount - "specatator" mount (like ro but no journal allocated for the mount, no fencing needed for failed node that was mounted as specatator) - infrastructure in place for live ondisk inode migration, fs shrink - stuffed dinodes, small files are stored in the disk inode block - tunable (fuzzy) atime updates - fast, nondisruptive stat on files during non-allocating direct-io - fast, nondisruptive statfs (df) even during heavy fs usage - friendly handling of io errors: shut down fs and withdraw from cluster - largest GFS cluster deployed was around 200 nodes, most are much smaller - use many GFS file systems at once on a node and in a cluster - customers use GFS for: scientific apps, HA, NFS serving, database, others I'm sure - graphical management tools for gfs, clvm, and the cluster infrastruture exist and are improving quickly - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-fsdevel" in the body of a message to firstname.lastname@example.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html
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