Dive Into Greasemonkey Posted May 11, 2005 14:59 UTC (Wed) by louie (guest, #3285) [Link] Greasemonkey is the greatest thing since sliced bread. If you haven't realized that yet, and you are a gmail user, take a look at this greasemonkey script, which adds persistent searches to gmail. If you're not a gmail user, think of the general concept: an entirely new feature coded from scratch and added to a webapp without having to consult with upstream. The possibilities are as endless as the web itself. Crazy... Greasemonkey is THE SH!T!!!!!! Posted May 11, 2005 16:46 UTC (Wed) by b7j0c (guest, #27559) [Link] Greasemonkey will change the way you use the web, it will put you back in control. I do not look at any content I do not wish to look at thanks to this tool and adblocker. Greasemonkey lets me view most pages I care about now in an extreme "printer ready" type view, meaning nothing but the text I care about. And yes I have put these scripts on the Greasemonkey archive. How about removing adsense ads? How about making Yahoo News stories present a text-only view? Etc etc etc. Greasemonkey lets me de-crapify the web, and there is very little content producers can do to stop me (yet). They say the geeks are doing what regular folks will be doing in five years. That means in five years no one will look at content they do not CHOOSE to look at, this has huge implications for web advertising models, etc. Dive Into Greasemonkey Posted May 11, 2005 17:46 UTC (Wed) by mmarq (guest, #2332) [Link] (2 responses) For who cares?!... Why isn't grasemonkey available as a regular extension (i've seen *ALL* firefox extensions) ? If people is starting to do *user side editing* it would be reasonable, i belive, to *not* do it on pages of dinamic nature. It should be done on static archived pages of interest (clean them up) like the ones that one can store in 'scrapbook', or on a intranet site caching proxy like wwwoffle. My 2 cents question ( i'm starting to read the book). Is it possible to integrate it with scrapbook in a *clean* fashion, that is, automatically run an user choosen set of scipts on capture, or one has to apply the sripts and them capture it, what makes it applying to already captured pages (some gone from the internet, archives included) very clumsy ? Dive Into Greasemonkey Posted May 11, 2005 20:45 UTC (Wed) by canal (guest, #29874) [Link] (1 responses) It should be done on static archived pages of interest (clean them up) like the ones that one can store in 'scrapbook', or on a intranet site caching proxy like wwwoffle. What are you talking about ? "Clean them up" is mundane change by far. With greasemonkey you can add information from other page. Script which started it all changes behaviour of "Read more" links: instead of jumping to other page text will be downlaoded and pasted in place of link. How can it be done on static page ? Download all possible links on the internet ? Is it possible to integrate it with scrapbook in a *clean* fashion, that is, automatically run an user choosen set of scipts on capture, or one has to apply the sripts and them capture it, what makes it applying to already captured pages (some gone from the internet, archives included) very clumsy ? 1. A lot of scripts are useless for captured pages (see above). 2. Scripts are working on DOM-tree, they are not changing pages text. Since you can get innerHTML for the whole page it's still possible to grab changed page - but I'm not really sure how feasible it is. Dive Into Greasemonkey Posted May 12, 2005 18:31 UTC (Thu) by mmarq (guest, #2332) [Link] " Script which started it all changes behaviour of "Read more" links: instead of jumping to other page text will be downlaoded and pasted in place of link. How can it be done on static page ? Download all possible links on the internet ? " Perhaps the language used was not the most appropriate, but i belive you answered your question yourself!; that is, you browse a page, and let us suppose you can script change it to what ever form you like, but if you dont save it or capture it, you may *lose the script composed page* because links can be brooken,content changed on the same links or sites can be shot down... unless you can compose tracing it back to google archives or wayback machine, but that is silly, because even then there is no guarantee because none of them never had the whole internet ! I'm not whinning, au contraire, Kudos is deserved to the greasemonkey team, it is really an advanced "killer feature" functionality, only wonder if it not deserves a much better *integrated* user side archiving functionality, to complement better all this 'user side' editing power.
Posted May 11, 2005 14:59 UTC (Wed) by louie (guest, #3285) [Link]
Posted May 11, 2005 16:46 UTC (Wed) by b7j0c (guest, #27559) [Link]
Greasemonkey lets me view most pages I care about now in an extreme "printer ready" type view, meaning nothing but the text I care about. And yes I have put these scripts on the Greasemonkey archive. How about removing adsense ads? How about making Yahoo News stories present a text-only view? Etc etc etc. Greasemonkey lets me de-crapify the web, and there is very little content producers can do to stop me (yet).
They say the geeks are doing what regular folks will be doing in five years. That means in five years no one will look at content they do not CHOOSE to look at, this has huge implications for web advertising models, etc.
Posted May 11, 2005 17:46 UTC (Wed) by mmarq (guest, #2332) [Link] (2 responses)
If people is starting to do *user side editing* it would be reasonable, i belive, to *not* do it on pages of dinamic nature. It should be done on static archived pages of interest (clean them up) like the ones that one can store in 'scrapbook', or on a intranet site caching proxy like wwwoffle.
My 2 cents question ( i'm starting to read the book). Is it possible to integrate it with scrapbook in a *clean* fashion, that is, automatically run an user choosen set of scipts on capture, or one has to apply the sripts and them capture it, what makes it applying to already captured pages (some gone from the internet, archives included) very clumsy ?
Dive Into Greasemonkey Posted May 11, 2005 20:45 UTC (Wed) by canal (guest, #29874) [Link] (1 responses) It should be done on static archived pages of interest (clean them up) like the ones that one can store in 'scrapbook', or on a intranet site caching proxy like wwwoffle. What are you talking about ? "Clean them up" is mundane change by far. With greasemonkey you can add information from other page. Script which started it all changes behaviour of "Read more" links: instead of jumping to other page text will be downlaoded and pasted in place of link. How can it be done on static page ? Download all possible links on the internet ? Is it possible to integrate it with scrapbook in a *clean* fashion, that is, automatically run an user choosen set of scipts on capture, or one has to apply the sripts and them capture it, what makes it applying to already captured pages (some gone from the internet, archives included) very clumsy ? 1. A lot of scripts are useless for captured pages (see above). 2. Scripts are working on DOM-tree, they are not changing pages text. Since you can get innerHTML for the whole page it's still possible to grab changed page - but I'm not really sure how feasible it is. Dive Into Greasemonkey Posted May 12, 2005 18:31 UTC (Thu) by mmarq (guest, #2332) [Link] " Script which started it all changes behaviour of "Read more" links: instead of jumping to other page text will be downlaoded and pasted in place of link. How can it be done on static page ? Download all possible links on the internet ? " Perhaps the language used was not the most appropriate, but i belive you answered your question yourself!; that is, you browse a page, and let us suppose you can script change it to what ever form you like, but if you dont save it or capture it, you may *lose the script composed page* because links can be brooken,content changed on the same links or sites can be shot down... unless you can compose tracing it back to google archives or wayback machine, but that is silly, because even then there is no guarantee because none of them never had the whole internet ! I'm not whinning, au contraire, Kudos is deserved to the greasemonkey team, it is really an advanced "killer feature" functionality, only wonder if it not deserves a much better *integrated* user side archiving functionality, to complement better all this 'user side' editing power.
Posted May 11, 2005 20:45 UTC (Wed) by canal (guest, #29874) [Link] (1 responses)
It should be done on static archived pages of interest (clean them up) like the ones that one can store in 'scrapbook', or on a intranet site caching proxy like wwwoffle.
What are you talking about ? "Clean them up" is mundane change by far. With greasemonkey you can add information from other page. Script which started it all changes behaviour of "Read more" links: instead of jumping to other page text will be downlaoded and pasted in place of link. How can it be done on static page ? Download all possible links on the internet ?
Is it possible to integrate it with scrapbook in a *clean* fashion, that is, automatically run an user choosen set of scipts on capture, or one has to apply the sripts and them capture it, what makes it applying to already captured pages (some gone from the internet, archives included) very clumsy ?
1. A lot of scripts are useless for captured pages (see above). 2. Scripts are working on DOM-tree, they are not changing pages text. Since you can get innerHTML for the whole page it's still possible to grab changed page - but I'm not really sure how feasible it is.
Dive Into Greasemonkey Posted May 12, 2005 18:31 UTC (Thu) by mmarq (guest, #2332) [Link] " Script which started it all changes behaviour of "Read more" links: instead of jumping to other page text will be downlaoded and pasted in place of link. How can it be done on static page ? Download all possible links on the internet ? " Perhaps the language used was not the most appropriate, but i belive you answered your question yourself!; that is, you browse a page, and let us suppose you can script change it to what ever form you like, but if you dont save it or capture it, you may *lose the script composed page* because links can be brooken,content changed on the same links or sites can be shot down... unless you can compose tracing it back to google archives or wayback machine, but that is silly, because even then there is no guarantee because none of them never had the whole internet ! I'm not whinning, au contraire, Kudos is deserved to the greasemonkey team, it is really an advanced "killer feature" functionality, only wonder if it not deserves a much better *integrated* user side archiving functionality, to complement better all this 'user side' editing power.
Posted May 12, 2005 18:31 UTC (Thu) by mmarq (guest, #2332) [Link]
Perhaps the language used was not the most appropriate, but i belive you answered your question yourself!; that is, you browse a page, and let us suppose you can script change it to what ever form you like, but if you dont save it or capture it, you may *lose the script composed page* because links can be brooken,content changed on the same links or sites can be shot down... unless you can compose tracing it back to google archives or wayback machine, but that is silly, because even then there is no guarantee because none of them never had the whole internet !
I'm not whinning, au contraire, Kudos is deserved to the greasemonkey team, it is really an advanced "killer feature" functionality, only wonder if it not deserves a much better *integrated* user side archiving functionality, to complement better all this 'user side' editing power.
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