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Interview: OSI's new president

On January 31, the Open Source Initiative announced an expansion of its efforts and the appointment of Russ Nelson as its president. Mr. Nelson was kind enough to answer a few questions from LWN on the OSI and where he thinks it is headed. The questions, and his answers, can be found below. We thank Russ for taking the time to fill us in.

LWN: So you're the new president of OSI. Why did you take on that role, and where do you anticipate taking the OSI in the near future?

To Infinity ... and Beyond!

No, wait, that's Bruce Perens' line [Bruce worked for Pixar and is in the Toy Story credits].

Never before in history have we had a time when one person of ordinary intelligence can write a program which becomes used by half the worldwide computer-using population. This creates so many problems between countries that I really feel they have to be addressed with a treaty.

I think that the end goal is an international treaty concerning Open Source. Just to take one tiny portion of that issue: today somebody asked us for an "official Spanish version de license MIT". We can't do that. I mean, we could translate it (or more properly find a volunteer to translate it and publish it on, but the problem is that almost certainly the author of the MIT-licensed software didn't give us permission to license his software under the Spanish-language MIT license.

In many ways, the OSI appears to have fallen from view. Until this news hit, the most recent item listed on the front page was dated October, 2001. The OSI gets called upon to put its stamp on a license occasionally; what else does the OSI do now? Is it relevant to the free software development process, and how?

When were we ever relevant to the free software development process? We've always been an education/advocacy group. If you're already convinced that open source is a good thing, what more would we say to you? Really, the only time somebody inside the open source community needs to be concerned with us is when they talk to someone outside the community. If that person needs to be whupped around a little, send 'em to us and we'll give 'em what for.

We continue to do what we've always done: talk to people about open source. Calm their fears, and renew their hopes.

The press release states that OSI will set out on "the establishment of principles of Open Source development and best practices" and "the creation of a registry of software projects that adhere to those principles." What need is driving the creation of these principles and the associated registry?

I believe that there is such a thing as an "Open Source effect". That effect requires more than just a license that complies with the Open Source Definition (OSD). We need to be more clear about that, because we sometimes have people who come along and want to create a license which complies with the letter of the OSD but not the spirit. The trouble is that the benefits come with the spirit. We need to do a better job of codifying the spirit.

When you talk about "inclusion of international perspectives and initiatives related to Open Source," what do you mean?

Working towards the end goal (as above) and adding board members from outside the US. We're starting to get some non-US, non-Europe (if you look at the map of locations of Debian developers, there are a LOT of them in Europe) countries that are signing on to open source in a BIG way. Take Brazil for example. We need better representation in those countries.

Why does the OSI need *two* legal counselors? What do they do?

Why does a computer need *two* power supplies? We felt that the job had grown to the point that one sole-proprietor lawyer (Larry Rosen) couldn't do the job anymore, and Larry's open source practice had expanded. It's possible that one law-firm lawyer could have brought in enough resources, but we wanted to share the work. In essence, Mark is inward-facing and Laura is outward-facing. She has been on the license-discuss mailing list for years now. She has also started to help with legally-oriented correspondence. Mark will help us with, among other things, registering the OSI-Certified mark, and with overhauling our bylaws.

How will the new OSI board members be selected? In general, how is the OSI kept accountable to the community it hopes to represent?

We are still a small, self-selecting board. We expect to change that in some way, but the details are still in the air. Having a larger board will take us in that direction no matter what.

How do you expect OSI to work with other free software-oriented groups, such as OSDL and the FSF? Will there be more cooperation in the future?

CAGE MATCH!! BLOOD, GORE, AND DEATH! Er, um, sorry. We had a dinner last summer with OSDL to talk about license proliferation issues. We are on cordial relations with the FSF, AND EXPECT TO TAKE THEM OVER SHORTLY! Sorry, I must apologize for all these capital letters. I don't know where they're coming from. I'll be in Boston in a couple of weeks for Linux World. I expect that I'll run into Bradley Kuhn and HE'LL DIE we'll talk about further ways in which the OSI and FSF could cooperate. I know of no reason why any animosities between us cannot be overcome AND CRUSHED LIKE A BUG.

Is there anything else which you would like to communicate to LWN readers?

Is this the point at which I add various mealy-mouthed corporate statements?

I think it's great to be President of the OSI at this point in time. We've had a strong president in Eric Raymond who took us from nothing to a highly respected member of the open source community. As corporations and governments come to be part of the community, we have to double and redouble our educational and advocacy efforts. We need to make sure that corporations know how to work with individual developers, and that governments know how to set the rules so everybody can work together. And we have to squash software patents, but that's a different interview.

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GNOME and KDE priorities

February 3, 2005

This article was contributed by Joe 'Zonker' Brockmeier.

With the KDE 3.4 and GNOME 2.10 releases on the horizon, we decided to take a look at both projects to see where both desktop teams were focusing their efforts. To get a feel for the priorities of each team, this reporter "test drove" the KDE 3.4 beta 1 using the SUSE 9.2 packages and GNOME 2.9.4 with Ubuntu's Live CD. We also spoke to KDE core developer Zack Rusin about the 3.4 release and GNOME release team member Luis Villa about GNOME's 2.10 release.

Both KDE 3.4 and GNOME 2.10 are incremental releases. That is to say, neither desktop is undergoing dramatic changes in the upcoming release and casual users may not notice many changes. Instead, there are a number of [KDE screenshot] small improvements and enhancements to the current desktop that users will find in each release.

Both projects are concentrating on backward compatibility. KDE's Rusin said that the 3.x series is basically in "maintenance" mode, with the KDE team trying to add features that users want, without major changes that would compromise compatibility with older releases. He noted that one of the goals for the 3.4 release is to maintain binary compatibility with the earlier 3.x releases. GNOME's Villa said that the GTK core toolkit has a strict ABI/API compatibility policy. "If you build against GTK 2.0, you should be able to run against GTK 2.6 with no problems." He also said that other core GNOME libraries provide the same guarantee, "that's why we have Firefox and Eclipse building against us."

According to Villa, the 2.10 release will see more bugfixes than usual. He said that, depending on how you track bugs, the 2.10 release [GNOME screenshot] already includes between 1,000 and 5,000 closed bugs -- and that's before the final feature freezes and bug fixing before the final release. Villa did note that the GNOME team always places a high priority on quality control, but that this release seemed to have a higher than normal number of bugfixes.

Another focus for the GNOME team in 2.10 is implementation of standards agreed upon by the GNOME and KDE teams. Villa noted that the GNOME team had revamped the menu structure to comply with the menu specification.

The GNOME release adds a new "Places" menu to the panel that allows the user to quickly navigate between their home folder, the desktop, CD-ROM and network locations. Villa said that the GNOME team has also addressed some of the complaints about the file chooser from the last version of GNOME, and that the typeahead feature has returned.

Both desktops are increasingly friendly for users with disabilities. Villa said that the 2.10 release did not focus on improvements to accessibility because GNOME is "already far and away the leaders in accessiblity."

The KDE team, on the other hand, has made accessibility a major priority in 3.4. One major new feature that users will find in 3.4 is the text to speech system in 3.4, which would be available in many applications. Rusin said there is also a new "mono" theme for 3.4 that would be better for users who had difficulty with the high-color styles used in KDE. Rusin noted that working on accessibility was difficult because it is "such a hugely complicated area," and that the KDE team will continue to add functionality in future releases.

Multimedia has also gotten a boost in GNOME 2.10. According to Villa, the Gstreamer integration is greatly improved in GNOME 2.10. This is the first release where Totem has been integrated into the GNOME release process, and Villa also said it was the first release where the Totem team had worked more closely with the Gstreamer team. Totem had previously worked with Xine, but Villa said that Xine had "legal encumbrances" that made it more difficult for vendors to distribute. There is also a new and improved mixer applet in GNOME 2.10 that hides some of the complexity from the user, at least at first. Villa said users would still be able to get to all of the functionality of their sound card with the mixer, but wouldn't be presented with it at first glance.

Both KDE and GNOME teams have been beefing up their groupware offerings. Rusin told LWN that KDE PIM had been "hugely improved" for 3.4. Kontact has expanded its support of GroupWare servers with support for Novell GroupWise and, and partial support for Microsoft Exchange Server 2000. Kontact also supports OpenExchange Server, eGroupWare and Kolab.

Evolution's latest release includes eplugin, a plugin architecture to allow developers to extend Evolution with new features. Some of the plugins available now include an inline audio player for Evolution, an Exchange account setup plugin and an "automatic contacts" plugin that creates address book entries when a user replies to e-mails. Evolution already includes the Exchange plugin, and Villa said that Evolution was also getting a lot of work to be compatible with Novell GroupWise.

KDE 3.4 marks the first inclusion of aKregator, a feed aggregator for KDE. This writer found aKregator very easy to use, and its integration with Konqueror and Kontact makes it a great choice for KDE users. The KDE team has also beefed up KPDF to include support for the text-to-speech features.

From talking to developers on both teams, it's clear that both desktops are trying to move towards better "enterprise" capability, and making it easier for others to develop applications for the respective desktops. From using both, it's clear to this writer that GNOME and KDE view users differently. GNOME continues to move towards a simple end-user interface, while KDE is more about adding features that users want -- even if it increases complexity.

Users who want to try out GNOME 2.10, without the hassle of compiling GNOME or installing it, should look to the Ubuntu Live CD for the upcoming Hoary Hedgehog release. Rusin said he wasn't aware of any Live CDs with KDE 3.4 beta just yet, but something might pop up on the Knoppix lists.

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Grokster, the Little Engine that Could, Chugs Up One Last Hill

Grokster is the Little Engine That Could. So far, against overwhelming odds, it has successfully dodged every legal bullet a massive horde of entertainment companies - some 28 of them, representing the interests of the music recording and movie industry - have thrown at it. Now, there is one more hill, and it's the steepest of them all, a hearing before the US Supreme Court in March.

There is a lot more at stake than just the fate of a couple of peer-to-peer file sharing services. What's at stake, to quote from one of the many amici briefs filed in this high-profile case (this one by the Computer & Communications Industry Association and NetCoalition) is nothing less than this: it's a push to overturn the court's ruling in Sony Corp. of America v. Universal City Studios, 464 U.S. 417 (1984) (the "Betamax case") and replace it "with new standards that would as a practical matter give the entertainment industry a veto power over the development of innovative products and services."

[Editor's note: due to the length of this article, we have not put the whole thing inline in the Weekly Edition. The full text of PJ's Grokster article may be found on its own page.]

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European software patent update

January 28, 2005

This article was contributed by Tom Chance.

On 24 September 2003, after 19 months of consideration, the European Parliament voted on the software patent directive, and made substantial amendments to exclude patents on pure software and business methods. However, regular rows between the European Council and Parliament; the Council ignoring many of the Parliaments amendments; and the Committee for Legal Affairs of the European Parliament's (JURI) subterfuge tactics to try and push it through, mean that pure software patents in Europe are still a scary possibility

Restart the process?

Under the co-decision rules for European lawmaking, the European Parliament, Commission and the Council all have to agree to the text of the directive before it can come into force. However at this stage in the legislative process (it is now at its second reading), if the European Council continues to ignore the Parliament's amendments, it will be extremely difficult for the European Parliament to keep them.

An absolute majority (two thirds of all MEPs, or at least 367 votes) is required in a second reading for each Council amendment the Parliament wishes to reject. Every MEP absent in the plenary chamber that day and every abstention vote would count in favor of the Council proposal. In 2004, the University of Duisburg-Essen released a study which showed that on average only 56.2% of Italian MEPs took part in the 4,437 roll call votes held in European Parliament between 1999 and 2003. The most diligent MEPs are from Luxembourg with a presence of 85.2%. We would, in other words, have to encourage an abnormally high turnout of MEPs for an issue that struggles to capture their imaginations.

This is even more worrying when you consider that a majority of the MEPs currently in parliament were elected in 2004 and did not even participate in the first reading of the directive. Ten new countries, with no previous say in the directive, also joined the EU in 2004. If the council position is officially announced, the Parliament will be forced to vote on the second reading within three to four months. This would give a relatively new Parliament little opportunity for discussion and consultation, and could lead to software patent loopholes if critical amendments were left out.

On the 2nd of February, JURI is set to decide whether or not to restart the procedure. This decision has only been possible because of a motion, signed by 61 members of the European Parliament, calling for a new first reading of the software patent directive. Poland has also helped significantly by repeatedly postponing the adoption of the Council's software patent agreement, but can only do this for so long before other states pressure them on issues more important to the Polish economy.

A complete restart is one of the best (and only) feasible solutions left. As there are no absolute majority requirements in first readings, it would be easier for European Parliament to pass amendments. The Council would have to have a new first reading, canceling their current pro-software patent position and putting pressure on them to avoid adopting a similar stance so contrary to the will of Parliament. A restart would also enable new member states to have their say from the beginning, making it a more democratic directive.

What can you do?

The only reason we don't have software patents in Europe is because of the efforts of activists protesting and lobbying against them. In Europe, according to the European Patent Office, already 7% of applicants hold more than 50% of patents. If we don't want to go down a path whereby a start-up or open source company with no patents will be forced to pay whatever price larger corporations choose to impose, we must get out there and fight to stop it happening. Here are a few ideas to get you started:

  • Help spread the word about software patents by joining the Web Demo. Register your site at

  • Contact a member of JURI with your concerns about software patents and your support for a restart of the software patent directive. The JURI committee has members from many different European member states, and these MEPs are best contacted by people from their own countries, since they will be much more likely to respond and raise your concerns within JURI. Find your MEPs here.

  • Contact your local MEPs to lobby members of JURI on your behalf. If you don't have time to seriously lobby a member of JURI, get your local MEP to do it for you. MEPs are supposed to represent their constituents, so let them help you get your message across. Find out who they are here.

  • Visit European Parliament in Brussels to lobby MEPs (especially the JURI committee) about software patents. Ask for more information on this mailing list.

  • If you are too busy to do any of the above, you might consider donating to organizations like the FFII and the Electronic Frontier Foundation, who are trying to ensure that software patent legislation is compatible with small and medium enterprises as well as free or open source software. Large software companies employ people to do nothing but patent lobbying, so we need to support those people who are opposing them as much as possible.

(Edward Griffith-Jones contributed to the writing of this article).

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