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Clueless

Posted Dec 9, 2004 21:19 UTC (Thu) by thompsot (guest, #12368)
In reply to: Clueless by etbe
Parent article: Debian and the hot babe problem

Actually, that's when men treated women like they were jewels and were expected to win a woman's heart the hard way, not just hop into bed with her on the first date, and there was a certain expectation of good behavior on both parts. Sorry you misunderstood.

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Clueless

Posted Dec 10, 2004 1:26 UTC (Fri) by etbe (subscriber, #17516) [Link]

Thompsot, one thing you are really clueless about is history.

It's a really modern idea that a couple spend months or years dating
before getting married. Arranged marriages have historically been common
in all cultures, as have situations where women had no economic options
other than to get married.

The idea that men should "win a woman's heart the hard way" is a very
sexist idea that you generally only see in the trashiest fiction books
(Mills and Boone). Ever considered the possibility that women should
"win a man's heart the hard way and not just hop into bed with him on the
first date"? It takes the agreement of both parties for sex on a first
date (or any date for that matter). Why should it be the man's fault if
the woman wants sex on a first date?