How about O_CREAT_DIRECTORY? [LWN.net]

How about O_CREAT_DIRECTORY?

Posted Jul 31, 2026 18:35 UTC (Fri) by huntermatthews (subscriber, #4490)
In reply to: How about O_CREAT_DIRECTORY? by pm215
Parent article: Reconsidering O_CREAT|O_DIRECTORY

It wasn't _just_ cultural pressure - some early linkers had a 6 char limit. "O_CREAT" is 6 chars. My memory says the linker only cared that the first 6 chars were unique and you could have identifiers longer than that - but maybe that was a half way mark?

My understanding is that this was corrected or worked around by the late 70's.

HOWEVER, I was still dealing with scientific software in C in the mid 00's that had broken six char clean C pre-processor macros.
The answer was to turn them all off, but thats a different issue.

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How about O_CREAT_DIRECTORY?

Posted Jul 31, 2026 19:48 UTC (Fri) by farnz (subscriber, #17727) [Link]

My understanding is that this all comes down to IBM SQUOZE and DEC RADIX 50 (and I suspect that DEC RADIX 50 was what influenced early UNIX, since it started on a PDP-7, an 18-bit DEC machine).

Those encodings get you 6 characters and a few flag bits in two 18-bit machine words, which is useful for both linkers and preprocessors alike; they were commonly used on the PDP-7 (and a slight variant on 16-bit minis like the PDP-11) for linkers, and almost certainly explain where the 6 significant character limit comes from - you squish the first 6 characters into a fixed 32 bit (on PDP-11) or 36-bit (on PDP-7) word, making lookup etc much simpler.

How about O_CREAT_DIRECTORY?

Posted Jul 31, 2026 23:45 UTC (Fri) by pm215 (subscriber, #98099) [Link] (1 responses)

O_CREAT is seven chars :) It also didn't arrive until 2.10BSD or so, which also added longer identifiers like O_APPEND and O_RDONLY. It's obviously named for the older creat() syscall.

For that matter, creat is also not six characters. Even back in the PDP-7 Unix that is as early as the tuhs website has, there are some six character syscall names, like rename. The linker being used on that PDP-7 seems to have had a "truncates to 8 chars" limit, as symbols like ttyrestart come out as ttyresta in the linker map; the convention seems to have been a leading '.' on syscall entrypoints, but that still leaves 7 chars. So it seems to me that while you're right that some older systems definitely did have very short limits, at the point when Thompson and Ritchie were defining unix syscall names, the choice of "creat" over "create" was not imposed by a technical limit but was rather "we like and are used to abbreviated names".

How about O_CREAT_DIRECTORY?

Posted Aug 3, 2026 7:45 UTC (Mon) by anselm (subscriber, #2796) [Link]

at the point when Thompson and Ritchie were defining unix syscall names, the choice of "creat" over "create" was not imposed by a technical limit but was rather "we like and are used to abbreviated names".

Remember that these are the folks who brought you ls, cp, and rm. If all you have to interact with your computer is an actual teletype (with a roll of paper rather than a CRT display), brevity becomes very enticing.

Also, people were presumably used to the idea of identifiers with at most six significant characters from Fortran.

How about O_CREAT_DIRECTORY?

Posted Aug 4, 2026 12:49 UTC (Tue) by dankamongmen (subscriber, #35141) [Link]

how is a linker implementation detail relevant for a macro? O_CREAT is not an object symbol.