Bug of feature? [LWN.net]

Bug of feature?

Posted Jun 30, 2026 18:40 UTC (Tue) by pizza (subscriber, #46)
In reply to: Bug of feature? by evgeny
Parent article: Xsnow "protestware" in Debian

> No, I say that Debian should not have software that *specifically*, *intentially*, and *knowingly* could endanger someone in *any* place in the world.

Under this standard, most of Debian will have to be removed.

(remember, "intentionally" covers things that are _not_ implemented, such as age verification)

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Bug of feature?

Posted Jun 30, 2026 19:00 UTC (Tue) by evgeny (subscriber, #774) [Link] (5 responses)

Really? Does Debian disable age verification specifically in regions that require it?

Bug of feature?

Posted Jun 30, 2026 19:50 UTC (Tue) by pizza (subscriber, #46) [Link] (4 responses)

> Does Debian disable age verification specifically in regions that require it?

By _not implementing_ age verification in regions that require it (including by distributing software that does not, ie effectively everything in the archive), they are "endangering users" in those jurisdictions.

At this point, that "not implementing" is both *intentional* and *knowing*.

Another example, more concrete -- Debian includes 'torbrowser', use of which is criminal in many jurisdictions. Debian is therefore endangering those users, and by your logic, torbrowser should be yanked from the archive for everyone else.

Bug of feature?

Posted Jun 30, 2026 20:10 UTC (Tue) by evgeny (subscriber, #774) [Link] (3 responses)

Whether to use the Tor browser is at the user's discretion. Debian doesn't install it by default, nor makes it the default browser. And it certainly doesn't do it on purpose, specifically in the places where its use is forbidden. If you don't see the principal difference with the behavior of xsnow, I give up explaining my point. Let's close this thread.

Bug of feature?

Posted Jun 30, 2026 23:36 UTC (Tue) by pizza (subscriber, #46) [Link] (2 responses)

> Whether to use the Tor browser is at the user's discretion. Debian doesn't install it by default, nor makes it the default browser.

So what? By providing it, Debian knowingly endangers its users in some jursidictions. That's your standard, not mine.

Your standard would effectively reduce Debian to a tiny subset containing only what is allowed in the most restrictive jurisdictions.

> If you don't see the principal difference with the behavior of xsnow, I give up explaining my point. Let's close this thread.

The folks enforcing those laws don't care about nuance; your guilt is established by mere possession of that unacceptable (==illegal) software. Therefore even making them available is endangering those users, and as such should be excluded from Debian.

Welcome to the real world.

Bug of feature?

Posted Jul 1, 2026 0:42 UTC (Wed) by alx.manpages (subscriber, #145117) [Link] (1 responses)

I see some difference between someone researching into what is the Tor browser and later installing it, versus trying some funny game, which is described as

```
Description-en: brings Christmas to your desktop
Xsnow is a X Window application that will snow on the desktop background.
Santa and his reindeer will complete your festive-season feeling.
Xsnow runs in GNOME, KDE, FVWM and desktops that are derived from those.
```

If one installs Tor, they might be endangered, but they are most likely aware that they are or at least might be endangered.

If one installs xsnow or xpenguins, one wouldn't expect to be endangered in any way (other than maybe being fired for installing games at work, if your work fires people for that).

It is the awareness and expectation that is important.

Bug of feature?

Posted Jul 1, 2026 14:17 UTC (Wed) by bronson (subscriber, #4806) [Link]

If you're living in a situation where blue-over-yellow will land you in jail, then no general-purpose distribution is safe for you to run. None of them. Arguing over individual packages seems unproductive.