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Honestly aligning intentions with reality

Honestly aligning intentions with reality

Posted May 5, 2026 3:40 UTC (Tue) by raven667 (guest, #5198)
Parent article: Bug-monitoring expectations and Fedora GNOME packages

Something that's stuck in my head is how bug tracking and ticketing systems are a signifier of a commercial support relationship and aren't entirely appropriate for a community project, what's the SLA for tickets opened with a volunteer, and who do you escalate to? Triaging these bug reports _should_ be a full-time job, if there was someone paying for it, even someone from GNOME Foundation to collect reports from distros or something, but this situation isn't unique to GNOME or KDE and isn't resolved by pretending the relationship between user, packager, and upstream developer is something that it's not.

Users and promoters of distros and FOSS have all sorts of ideas of what an upstream and a distro do, or should do, but that doesn't always seem grounded in the actual reality of the amount of effort volunteer packagers and developers can actually do. Some packages are maintained by paid staff, by Redhat, other orgs or multi-vendor consortiums like Linux kernel itself, but it's not clear what any specific relationship is, when is the packager/developer a volunteer or a vendor, when are you a customer, a non-customer or a peer? It seems that a lot of people like cosplaying as a vendor when volunteering and putting FOSS in the world, but it obscures when it's appropriate to escalate or back off, or who if anyone is accountable for anything. It's not appropriate to bring "let me talk to your manager" energy to a volunteer, but it can be when the FOSS is supported by a commercial org and they are supporting it as part of a product, even if you aren't a direct customer.

Collecting all these bug reports like Pokemon, which represent some amount of work put in by Fedora users, but not having any real plan on what to do with them is kind of shitty to all involved, developers who might want those reports and users who might want those issues triaged and fixed. If the software is being provided "as-is" and there isn't really any accountability to fix issues, then why collect the reports at all, why waste peoples time? If the packagers or developers want to use some sort of bug tracking system for their own benefit, then don't open it to the public, doing so is a kind of implicit advertisement of support that may not actually exist. Good intentions are laudable, but sometimes one has to know their own limitations, and be firm, honest and forthcoming about what their capacity is to respond to issues, otherwise everyone involved gets stressed and frustrated, which is an avoidable consequence.


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Honestly aligning intentions with reality

Posted May 5, 2026 9:03 UTC (Tue) by taladar (subscriber, #68407) [Link]

An issue tracker that is treated like a minimally moderated (just spam removal and such things) community forum for people experiencing the same bug to exchange information is still valuable.

Honestly aligning intentions with reality

Posted May 7, 2026 8:51 UTC (Thu) by nim-nim (subscriber, #34454) [Link]

It’s a pity no one in interested enough to try triaging the reports using AI instead of pointing users to yet another reporting tool.

Pointing users elsewhere is just a way to tell them to get lost because the people who don’t want to look at distro reports will definitely not want to look at the same reports in their own bug tracker. They love their own bug tracker because most users report distro-side so their own bug tracker is pleasantly empty.

The problem is not the users reporting at the wrong place. The problem is doing something with the reports.


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